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I have follow through but ALWAYS end up pointing towards left of D11
From ever since I can remember, my throwing hand ALWAYS ends up following through to an area off the board/left of the D11 soon as the dart releases from my hand.

I have my shoulder lined up, my body is still, my elbow is not moving during throw...yet I cannot cure this issue.

I've tried everything...
-Different positions on the oche
-Different front foot/rear foot angles
-Standing on the far left of the oche and angling my body towards the board thinking if my body is angled, my arm will straighten out.
-Moving a bunch of boxes next to the oche so they're lined up next to the arc of my throw (if my arm had a straight follow through, it would move past the length of the box but never touch it)...but I always hit it right after release.

I do spin my darts..it's not something I purposely try but everyone notices it.

I always end up with a follow through with the correct extension/hand facing down/fingers pointing towards the floor, etc..

It just ALWAYS drifts left after my release.

It has nothing to do with instinctively moving towards my feeder hand to retrieve my next dart either.




I'm starting to think it's due to my grip....like I'm twisting my wrist when releasing the dart almost like I'm throwing a curveball.

Just looking at my grip do you think that could be the case?

I'm thinking about forcing myself into a simpler grip to see if that helps.

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Grip it to the rear more! Maybe that works
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The finger on the point will be pushing the dart left on release imo
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One thing I want to say is that I can throw okay....I played last night with a friend for awhile (after a few beers) and we were both in the 19-27 dart 501 range.

My front fingers do nothing more than to stabilize the dart's nose and give it a consistent vertical angle...kind of like a rest so the nose is always at the same height.

About a split second before my release my two front fingers are off the dart and my rear two are pushing it towards the board. I would love to have a high speed camera next to my release just to see what's going on.

When I try a 2 finger grip, I always seem to get inconsistency when the dart is released because the point no longer has anything to rest on...even a slight nose up/nose down will give me tons of inconsistency/wobble.

When I try a 3 finger grip with the third finger under the dart, I end up throwing it crazily like I'm having to twist/spin my arm to get it to fly straight.

I did have multiple wrist injuries when younger (skateboarding and snowboarding falls/standing tricep cable pull downs and tweaked my wrist, etc..)

I'm wondering if I may just have a permanent issue with my wrist that can't be resolved.
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I have a 3 finger grip but similar to you, my third finger just rests on the tip, as I throw it comes away and i push with the other two fingers. I also drag across (only to the 5's) to cure this I focus on the centre of the 20 but as I throw I kind of try to push the dart to the 1 without changing my focal point. Hard to grasp I'm sure but that's what I do, after a couple of weeks the muscle memory takes over and it's no longer a problem
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Myself, I have a pretty fair natural drift so I have to focus more to the left of what I aim at even if it looks like I am not aiming at the number I am shooting at.
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I think the arm influences the rotation of the wrist/hand/fingers as you straighten it out so it could be any thing that's causing it really. Some people must be lucky in that they align everything naturally when they throw and for the rest of us we have to keep doing a trial and error routine until we get some kind of action that works well but even then it will never be perfect as then you have the very fine parts of the throw taking over such as your finger placement and the co-ordination of the fingers and wrist as it completes the throw and release.

I think that's what makes the whole thing so difficult to analyse and effect a solution, often it can be something so minor and imperceptible that you struggle to pin point the reason. I think a good thing to do that may help if you can is to get a slow motion shot of your throw from a few different angles and it may help to spot the problem.

It could be that all you need is a very slight rotation of your wrist in a clockwise direction but knowing the problem and developing the solution is the difficult part. For me I hit too many 5's and I think my grip and release is the main culprit because looking at my wrist alignment it looks ok.
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Check your stance. Move your shoulders (throwing arm) more towards the board.
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(11-09-2014, 11:53 AM)david the Spartan Wrote: The finger on the point will be pushing the dart left on release imo

I think you're right.

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Dorian
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Do you think your follow through is having a negative affect on your throw and where the darts end up? If your release is smooth, the darts are being released on line and your arm is straight and in line to the target upt to the point of release, but you arm then moves off to left after the point of releasing the dart then I don't see this as an issue as the dart will already be well on its way to the intended target
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See, that's the thing. I might be too wrapped up in how many of the pros seem to always have their fingertips pointing perfectly forward after their release.

It's that dartboard camera before PDC matches (when the pros are practicing and they're throwing towards the camera) that always gets me thinking about it.

I have a full follow through with the wrist snap/arm extension but it always drifts left after the release.

Maybe I'm just over-thinking since it's really not messing up my throw in any way. When I do drift to the 5s, it's something totally different (usually incorrect elbow position or body movement)...but even if I'm scoring rather well (I shot a 15 darter tonight during practice), I still have that arm drift after release.

It may be the time to just ignore it and not focus too much on it. It could very well be an old injury from sports that makes it impossible to have a perfect straight follow through. I was also in Marine infantry where we carried a lot of weight on our back/shoulders for extended periods....it could be a whole host of issues that is out of my hands (no pun intended lol)
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Over-thinking is a major danger in darts! If it has no negative affect on your throw then I would try and forget about it and focus on your throw and honing that - which it sounds to me like you are doing pretty damn well Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.
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Are you sure it's just your arm? Do you stand fairly straight-on? Or more sideways, with shoulders perpendicular to the board? If it's more straight-on, the forward motion of your arm can make your torso twist slightly counterclockwise (if you're right handed), which would send your follow-through leftward.
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