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10-28-2014, 11:00 AM
(This post was last modified: 10-28-2014, 11:03 AM by Regulatori.)
I was always told that you want to stand with your shoulder inline with your arm towards the dartboard.
But what about your opposite shoulder?
Should you try to line up both shoulders as if drawing an imaginary line from your shoulders to the dartboard?
I was watching a match between MVG and Barney earlier tonight...
When MVG throws, his upper body is more in-line with the dartboard...including his rear shoulder.
When Barney throws, his forward shoulder is lined up but his rear shoulder is angled the opposite direction of where he's throwing. He's throwing on the right side of the oche but his rear shoulder is angled like MVG's as if he's throwing on the left side.
Example...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl...6Ap9g#t=29
Taylor has both shoulders lined up perfectly...that's what I was always taught as one of the best forms for accuracy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV-dZ1rA...lpage#t=46
Have you heard of any advantages/disadvantages to either? It makes me think of archery where you want to square both shoulders towards the target.
I'm currently tweaking aspects of my throw and just wanted to toss this question out there. Curious if maybe Barney's style works for Barney but in most cases you want to be lined up like Taylor or MVG because it keeps your front shoulder squared up/leads to better consistency.
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My best advice is to do what is comfortable to you. I couldn't stand at the line like Justin Pipe with his "Hood Ornament" pose, or MVG with that exaggerated leaning over, and that is only two of the many I couldn't emulate.
I tend to do more of a Phil Taylor stand, but my lead foot is not as perpendicular to the face of the board as his is. Both feet on the ground and more weight on my lead foot. I stand with my body in the center of the board on the outset but will move if need be to clear up a shot. My shoulders are at a slight angle to the face of the board. That is what I've gotten use to over the years and stick with it for the most part.
Everyone's throw, stance, release is as subtly different as the type of darts, flights and stems they prefer. Just do what works for you and perfect it.
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Well I have tried so many things the last few years and in most cases it felt like I was forcing my body into positions it was just not comfortable with. The latest trick I found was that by leaning very slightly to my right it made my forearm very vertical which I thought was helping me for a while until I got a really bad pain in my shoulder, so now I have stopped doing that, pain is slowly going but has lasted for weeks now.
I think if you can line yourself up in the same way that Taylor does and do it comfortably then I think your on a good foundation, but as I see so many of the pros in all kinds of positions I don't think its of vital importance, but I can understand why it should work best, so give it a try and if you feel ok with it then use it Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.
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+1 for not important.
The position of your shoulders are directly coupled to your stance, i.e. the angle of the oche-touching foot. You certainly don't want to twist all the time (and hopefullly the same) and wring out yourself.
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I don't think it's important. Mostly. I say that because I do see people who throw more or less straight-on (shoulders parallel to the board) whose ribcage tends to get in the way of their throwing arm when they're throwing at the lower part of the board. This doesn't happen when you turn yourself more perpendicular to the board.
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(10-28-2014, 03:48 PM)brenthahn Wrote: I don't think it's important. Mostly. I say that because I do see people who throw more or less straight-on (shoulders parallel to the board) whose ribcage tends to get in the way of their throwing arm when they're throwing at the lower part of the board. This doesn't happen when you turn yourself more perpendicular to the board.
I can only think of 2 players in our league that I'm familiar with that stand straight on, facing the board squared off. Their throws are strange to look at and their rate of accuracy is not good at all. It just looks like they need to put more effort than folks that stand more perpendicular to the board just to get their darts to the board.
I also notice, since they are both right handed, that when throwing at doubles on the left side of the board, they look most awkward since neither of them move over to the left to square up with the target number.
I tried that style just for grins and it is not my cup of tea. I felt totally out of place at the line.
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(10-28-2014, 04:10 PM)gumbo2176 Wrote: I also notice, since they are both right handed, that when throwing at doubles on the left side of the board, they look most awkward since neither of them move over to the left to square up with the target number.
That's certainly when their anatomy will get in their own way, throwing down and to the left at d16 and d8.
I throw more straight on than I used to, just because it's more comfortable lining up the dart under my left eye.
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10-28-2014, 08:02 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-28-2014, 08:03 PM by guest2.)
I try to do it that way Regulatori (shoulder alignment) as you suggested - only to an extent where:
(A) I can keep and maintain my balance especially that I lean a little forwards
(B) I feel relaxed
© my non throwing arm holding the darts is perfectly positioned on my side close to my body.
Yes those are very effective especially if you are aiming at bulls and 20s
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I just try and get comfortable, I don't actually think about what position my shoulders are in or what my stance actually looks like.
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I have never thought about this particular alignment. I will check it out later to see what I actually do, but I won't be changing my natural lineup
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Not in the slightest bit important... It's a Myth that does more Harm than Good.
Same as all this guff about you need your wrist-forearm-elbow in a vertical alignment.. nonsense.
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I am beginning to think the only thing to concentrate on is keeping the dart in line, your body will create its own movement to achieve that.
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(01-16-2015, 01:42 PM)Getagrip Wrote: I am beginning to think the only thing to concentrate on is keeping the dart in line, your body will create its own movement to achieve that.
Bingo...!
Or excuse the Pun... Bulls-eye.
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