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09-12-2014, 01:09 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-12-2014, 01:12 PM by REBEL.)
Maybe controversial, may not necessarily be correct but worth a try if your darts are dropping off or 'wobbling' on their way to the board - going for T20 and hitting the small S20 segment - or going D4 and dropping into the D13 bed?
Lift your point when you are aiming.
If you throw your darts 'flat' at the board (horizontally), not taking into account the natural 'arc' the darts may be dropping low and/or wobbling as they try to correct themselves.
As I say, its not necessarily 'correct' advice as I have seen a video of Phil Taylor throwing in slow motion - he throws flat (or at least was doing) and his darts 'wobble' through the air on their way to the board - he was hitting the T20 though so that works for him.
The reasoning is that your arm is like a lever, it arc's naturally and if you keep a straight elbow - it makes a part circle in it movement.
The dart, on its way to the board, also makes a part circle in its arc - and so by tipping the point up slightly, rather than have it positioned flat, you are starting the darts journey off in a correct position for it to naturally follow the curved path into the board removing its desire to wobble to find its correct trajectory.
I think most players do this sub-consciously when they are playing but maybe under pressure or when trying too hard - or maybe when the arm gets tired, the point may drop causing you to throw a flat dart or one that drops well below the desired target.
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As I say, its not Gospel and only an opinion, it works for some (myself included) and may be worth a try if your darts are dropping off or wobbling - as with changing flights or stem lengths, its only a subtle difference but may help. :hiding:
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strange!!!! i was playing around with this idea earlier !! i was seeing if point up down or level would affect the way the darts land in the board . i noticed PT throws his level and was seeing if i could get mine to land level ( i can't !)no matter what they all landed at same angle , but i agree the point up needs less stabilizing .as smaller or bigger flights don't have any effect either i just take it my darts land tail up and that is it , maybe it has to do with player height as i'm 6'1" and phil is a short arse ???
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(09-12-2014, 01:21 PM)jamie373 Wrote: strange!!!! i was playing around with this idea earlier !! i was seeing if point up down or level would affect the way the darts land in the board . i noticed PT throws his level and was seeing if i could get mine to land level ( i can't !)no matter what they all landed at same angle , but i agree the point up needs less stabilizing .as smaller or bigger flights don't have any effect either i just take it my darts land tail up and that is it , maybe it has to do with player height as i'm 6'1" and phil is a short arse ???
Aye, never thought about height difference to be honest.... :thinking:
Was watching a lad the other night, his darts were landing very low and the harder he tried to get them up the more his darts wobbled and went all over the place.
I saw he was throwing 'flat' and mentioned tipping his point up slightly when he was aiming - within 6 darts he was in the T20 and back in a relaxed groove - as I say, works so some people but not for everyone, but may be worth a crack. Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.
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At 6'4"... the top of the board is not the issue for me.
Maybe I'll try points down when I end up on that stupid d3
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A very good player I play with throws hard and straight with the point up. His darts almost always land about 15º saggy. On slo-mo video, you can see how the dart leaves his hand pointed upward, but about halfway to the board it looks like there's a sudden kick that sends the back end of the dart way, way down and then the back end starts rising back up but doesn't quite level out before the dart lands. When I throw his darts they land dead flat. Really odd and interesting.
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(09-12-2014, 01:32 PM)Jugger Wrote: At 6'4"... the top of the board is not the issue for me.
Maybe I'll try points down when I end up on that stupid d3
You could always try standing on your head for D3? Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images. lol
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(09-12-2014, 02:17 PM)REBEL Wrote: (09-12-2014, 01:32 PM)Jugger Wrote: At 6'4"... the top of the board is not the issue for me.
Maybe I'll try points down when I end up on that stupid d3
You could always try standing on your head for D3? Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images. lol
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If that's the case... my darts are all VERY brave
Spartan is a tall drink of water too... I wonder if he hates the D3 as well
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(09-12-2014, 01:54 PM)brenthahn Wrote: A very good player I play with throws hard and straight with the point up. His darts almost always land about 15º saggy. On slo-mo video, you can see how the dart leaves his hand pointed upward, but about halfway to the board it looks like there's a sudden kick that sends the back end of the dart way, way down and then the back end starts rising back up but doesn't quite level out before the dart lands. When I throw his darts they land dead flat. Really odd and interesting.
Yeah - even looking at the slo-mo vids on Youtube there are so many different ways to throw - what works for one person may not necessarily work for another - it may in fact work but in a different way as you say.
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(09-12-2014, 02:21 PM)Jugger Wrote: (09-12-2014, 02:17 PM)REBEL Wrote: (09-12-2014, 01:32 PM)Jugger Wrote: At 6'4"... the top of the board is not the issue for me.
Maybe I'll try points down when I end up on that stupid d3
You could always try standing on your head for D3? Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images. lol
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If that's the case... my darts are all VERY brave
Spartan is a tall drink of water too... I wonder if he hates the D3 as well
On a serious note regarding D3 - I'm a squirt at 5'9" but someone told me years ago, lean in slightly for D3 rather than change your stance/ throwing action - works for me now and then Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.
You keep the same throwing action and foot line on the oche, just a minor adjustment to lean forward - worth a shot if you haven't already tried that one.
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(09-12-2014, 02:21 PM)Jugger Wrote: (09-12-2014, 02:17 PM)REBEL Wrote: (09-12-2014, 01:32 PM)Jugger Wrote: At 6'4"... the top of the board is not the issue for me.
Maybe I'll try points down when I end up on that stupid d3
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If that's the case... my darts are all VERY brave
Spartan is a tall drink of water too... I wonder if he hates the D3 as well
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I'm always tinkering with my throw. yesterday i was trying slim flights and almost all the darts were landing tail down. Now I need to go back and try to throw with the point up just to see how it goes.. This is why the game is so much fun and working on the throw is just a small part of it after factoring in all the variables of flight and stem.
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It is always worth trying things. The idea behind having the point up is to have the wrist cocked, and get a little more snap on the throw.
A teammate of mine releases extremely point up and his darts land in the board like Lewis's... very point down. But the key is he does the same exact thing every time.
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Ive always thrown with points up, I struggle to keep point down and its not natural for me
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Its a good tip I throw point up too and in most cases my darts land in the board tail up but I have also tried throwing flat and direct although I find it harder to do I have noticed it suits some darts better.
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I can't get a damn thing done around this house......practicing with points up for the past hour I forgot to eat me breakfast!!
But the other thing I'm trying is to hold the point under my finger as a different approach to how I have been tossing it. I found I have less wobble and much more accurate, although that's another topic of discussion.
Thanks for the advice on tipping Rebel now I have to eat some breakfast...............
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