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Unicorns Uniboffin The Short and the Long
An interesting read from the Uniboffin: https://www.unicorn-darts.com/news/2014/...-long.aspx
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I am the "Stephen" in his recent articles. I am hoping we can dispel some myths around heavier darts for newer players and one has to throw light darts harder than heavy darts; the math is quite simple for that by the way.
You don't mess with The Voice of Reason. You have the right to be wrong.

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Definitely an interesting read.
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(06-23-2014, 01:24 PM)The DArtist Wrote: I am the "Stephen" in his recent articles. I am hoping we can dispel some myths around heavier darts for newer players and one has to throw light darts harder than heavy darts; the math is quite simple for that by the way.

You two would get along. Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images. Instead of actually trying to simplify things for the masses, you intentionally keep it scientific and wordy.

I learned a long time ago that people will not be impressed by your point if they can't understand it.
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(06-23-2014, 01:52 PM)Milkysunshine Wrote:
(06-23-2014, 01:24 PM)The DArtist Wrote: I am the "Stephen" in his recent articles. I am hoping we can dispel some myths around heavier darts for newer players and one has to throw light darts harder than heavy darts; the math is quite simple for that by the way.

You two would get along. Instead of actually trying to simplify things for the masses, you intentionally keep it scientific and wordy.

I learned a long time ago that people will not be impressed by your point if they can't understand it.

LOL yeah I do find the blogs get a bit heavy at times Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.

How can you contact the Uniboffin direct, I need to ask him something?
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(06-23-2014, 01:54 PM)Getagrip Wrote:
(06-23-2014, 01:52 PM)Milkysunshine Wrote:
(06-23-2014, 01:24 PM)The DArtist Wrote: I am the "Stephen" in his recent articles. I am hoping we can dispel some myths around heavier darts for newer players and one has to throw light darts harder than heavy darts; the math is quite simple for that by the way.

You two would get along. Instead of actually trying to simplify things for the masses, you intentionally keep it scientific and wordy.

I learned a long time ago that people will not be impressed by your point if they can't understand it.

LOL yeah I do find the blogs get a bit heavy at times Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.

How can you contact the Uniboffin direct, I need to ask him something?
Ah, we do have our differences, his idea and mine of making something simple are worlds apart. I often have to read his explanation a few times before I get it and I have a background in this stuff.
The best way to contact him is to leave a comment on his blog page at the bottom, he is usually pretty good with responding.
Hey up, I think that is you in the comments action!?
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(06-23-2014, 03:56 PM)The DArtist Wrote:
(06-23-2014, 01:54 PM)Getagrip Wrote:
(06-23-2014, 01:52 PM)Milkysunshine Wrote:
(06-23-2014, 01:24 PM)The DArtist Wrote: I am the "Stephen" in his recent articles. I am hoping we can dispel some myths around heavier darts for newer players and one has to throw light darts harder than heavy darts; the math is quite simple for that by the way.

You two would get along. Instead of actually trying to simplify things for the masses, you intentionally keep it scientific and wordy.

I learned a long time ago that people will not be impressed by your point if they can't understand it.

LOL yeah I do find the blogs get a bit heavy at times Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.

How can you contact the Uniboffin direct, I need to ask him something?
Ah, we do have our differences, his idea and mine of making something simple are worlds apart. I often have to read his explanation a few times before I get it and I have a background in this stuff.
The best way to contact him is to leave a comment on his blog page at the bottom, he is usually pretty good with responding.
Hey up, I think that is you in the comments action!?

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(06-23-2014, 01:52 PM)Milkysunshine Wrote:
(06-23-2014, 01:24 PM)The DArtist Wrote: I am the "Stephen" in his recent articles. I am hoping we can dispel some myths around heavier darts for newer players and one has to throw light darts harder than heavy darts; the math is quite simple for that by the way.

You two would get along. Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images. Instead of actually trying to simplify things for the masses, you intentionally keep it scientific and wordy.

I learned a long time ago that people will not be impressed by your point if they can't understand it.

I quite agree, I subscribe to the KISS principle, I have taught technical, and non-tech, subject for some 26 years; if you can't explain it simply then some will not be able to get it, eyes glaze over, students fail; it is our job and duty as educators to "teach" but sometimes we don't see past our own knowledge and don't understand why someone does not "get it". I used to teach the first 8 weeks of an aircraft maintenance program, I needed all the students to get to the next level so would do what I could to engage everyone, damned hard work and no matter what you do some will not get it and should be directed to another sphere of study.
Trust me, you have not seen all our correspondence on the aeronautical subjects. I do wish he would tone down the math somewhat. I feel like taking on the challenge myself but probably not!
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Well I will ask you instead Ste as you will probably know the answer or may be not as it could be too specific to darts.

But as we all know that gravity has an affect on anything that is thrown, what I want to know is if it was possible to throw for example a dart of 25g in a perfectly horizontal plane how fast would it need to travel over the distance of the oche to say the T20 to avoiding gravity having a noticeable affect over that short distance?

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If my eyes glaze over, it's because I figured out what works for me without needing a pedant to explain it. And if I can do it, anyone can.
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Huh! What happened? I fell asleep!
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(06-23-2014, 04:22 PM)brenthahn Wrote: If my eyes glaze over, it's because I figured out what works for me without needing a pedant to explain it. And if I can do it, anyone can.

Ah but Boffins are always fun, check this one out: https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=441_1272564208
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(06-23-2014, 04:08 PM)Getagrip Wrote: Well I will ask you instead Ste as you will probably know the answer or may be not as it could be too specific to darts.

But as we all know that gravity has an affect on anything that is thrown, what I want to know is if it was possible to throw for example a dart of 25g in a perfectly horizontal plane how fast would it need to travel over the distance of the oche to say the T20 to avoiding gravity having a noticeable affect over that short distance?

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I'm busy with work just now, working on a legal response so I sort of need to concentrate on my rebuttal, however if you take a look at this https://demonstrations.wolfram.com/DartPractice/ you can play with velocity and see where the dart should land on the board. For the same distance, which is constant, and keeping a constant parabolic angle you will see that the faster the dart is thrown the higher it will land. Adjust the arc of flight, the curve that you throw, and the dart lands in a different part of the board. When we throw we sort of automatically make those adjustments after a few throws. I hope that answers your question. I can devote more time to it later but I think the Wolfram demo explains it well with no math.
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(06-23-2014, 04:22 PM)brenthahn Wrote: If my eyes glaze over, it's because I figured out what works for me without needing a pedant to explain it. And if I can do it, anyone can.
That's the point, mostly you don't need an explanation because you apply trail and error and figure it out for yourself.
You do what works for YOU and not what someone else tells you you should do because we have numerous variables that we apply.
As soon as you start to consciously work out the math and physics and try to remember all the tips that work for someone else - eyes glaze over, darts don't work, you have no idea why, so buy "better' darts.
I think that calling the Uniboffin a "pedant", using current definition of the term, is a bit harsh. He's not trying to be clever, he is clever in his field, but he explains things in his terms.
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(06-23-2014, 07:37 PM)The DArtist Wrote: I think that calling the Uniboffin a "pedant", using current definition of the term, is a bit harsh.

Actually, he called himself a "pedantic mathematician." Not a "pedant." My bad.
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