Dart Change action

[Cat]

Been doing some thinking (maybe that was that odd aroma...sorta burnt wiring?). When I first started darts this time around, I had 4 or 5 sets of darts and shot them all indiscriminately. Then, narrowed the focus, shot with one set, began looking for "the right" set....bought some used. Based on that experience, bought my present darts (the ones I shoot with not fog up the metal looking at). Then I set my goal and started practicing. Personal opinion? A person who has "paid his or her dues" by working hard....that means practicising!!!.....can pick up just about any set of darts and kick some tusche. It's the Darter, not the dart. That being said, once you find "the set" for the current level you are at, fine tuning the dart while you fine tune your aim can't hurt. Soooooo....have been fine tuning the dart/Darter. Getting to my question eventually....if you can't sleep...read on.....this oughta be better than Valium.....who needs a pharmacist when ya got the likes of me doing a "hit and hide" post? Been doing a lot of lurking and recon on the forum recently. Hoping to get the flight school thing up and running....in the meantime.....my dart issue. Bought a whole slew of different flights, shafts, even, finally, found some slip sticks at my local dart supply store...been trying a change one item at a time...for instance, flights......finally settled on retro flights. On a whim, changed that yesterday.....found the Harrows V flights when sorting all the various parts and pieces (giving a set of my old brass darts to a friend, putting together a care package to go with them plus some new stuff for her)....so I tried them out......dimmer switch on my light bulb went up a notch.......How do you know if you found the right combo for you? Because when I put those flights on and shot a few, it felt like....yesssssssss.......not very scientific or technical.....and here's the problem for me......it's a weird combo and goes against a lot of the things generally recommended to newbies (6 weeks and not often counting). Still needs tweaking...hate the aluminum shafts.....but the plastic didn't work and the slick sticks were too short....do they come longer? (That was a second question - newbies are like puppies, all fumble footed with big floppy ears and no boundaries-full of curiosity :-)...). Don't need any fancy colors, just black. Where can I get some stateside? I have shot the new combo for 2 days now....while my accuracy hasn't risen too much (a few % points).....the aim has been improving....I "feel" the dart more. Here's what I mean by accuracy and aim....to me, accuracy us how many times ya hit the number you're aiming at. Aim is how close ya get when ya don't hit it, and grouping your shots. Accuracy didn't rise all that much, but aim....that's another kettle of darting fish (small grin)...a whole lot of my shots now are at the wire next to the number i am shooting at---just over the county line instead of the next county, so to speak (giggle). If my tablet would ever condescend to speak to the forum site (yes, tried photobucket-no joy in Mudville), would post pics of setup...photographed dart on ruler, measured the overall dart and the parts, cause really want to try something other than aluminum shafts, pretty as they are..and need measurements and proportions to shop....liked how they shot so well, even did "glamour shot" using one of my haoris as background.....beginning to think the dart disease is insidious and well nigh incurable when that sorta thing happens....help.....am turning in to ???dart tart????. Finally, at long last, the point of this amazingly long post.....if I described the setup (with dimensions), could someone who knows what the heck they're doing, take a look at it and give an observation or two.....or maybe send me a gag order???? Longest post or even email have done in ages....and am known for that little clutch problem mentioned previously in another post.
My basic setup is smooth ring barrel, ACE movable points (lifetime warranty), medium (?) shafts and Harrows V flights....long puppy....around 6.625" overall. Can em pics from my em to another em, but can't em to site em, download or anything....go figure.
Thanks in advance for any assistance anyone might care to rendor.
Cat
P.S. Getting out of here while I can....the zzzzzzzzz sounds might hurt my tender little newbie ears..LOL......see ya :-)

[DIRTY G]

jesus Cat!! you must be able to type 200 word a minute. Its taken me half hour to reply Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.

Photo bucket is your friend, not foe. how come your having problems?

[Getagrip]

:weirdthread::faint:

LOL! Phew! I got to the end of it!

I think you need to post some pics Cat2 and also show us a pic of how you grip the dart, have you tried the forum guide: https://www.dartsnutz.net/showthread.php?tid=1093

[Cat]

Yes, have tried photo bucket, after first reading forum guide...my tablet doesn't like darts nuts, photo bucket...very particular tablet. Sorry about the length...really had a question or two there though, here to learn. Understand length is off putting-long day here, sheetrock party thing. Kinda darting around here in the dark, but not letting go of my goal....getting better at darts --- for me....more than one way to goal, intend to get there.

[Cat]

Thanks for the responses, guys. Newbie appreciates it.

[Getagrip]

Ah yes I remember you saying it was the tablet, bit annoying really as I dont have one to find out how to resolve the issue so if any one can help with posting pics using a tablet please do.

Do you prefer the movable point darts to fixed point?

[Cat]

P.S. Grip...funny you should ask...changed my grip slightly beginning of this week....am holding dart just behind center point (darts are neutrally balanced) instead of middle (on balance point...second change, done before changed flights...make changes one at a time...trying to figure out logic of the technical parts. Then practice, then keep head out of the game :-). One thing at time for this simple minded newbie....short attention span, so don't dangle sparkly shiny things in front of Cat2 or its all over....lol.

[Cat]

Don't have enough experience to say yeah or nay on the ACE points...came with darts...easy to remove, off and on...long enough points for me, like the lifetime warranty, don't gouge my board....anything else is beyond the scope of this newbie's directionally challenged brain....have Toshiba Excite tablet...first Toshiba tablet was Thrive..,no worries...this one....a bit pesky.

[REBEL]

Sounds to me like you are over-thinking/ over-complicating things - can speak from personal experience on this as I do it myself from time to time.

In reality, a question that should be asked is, does a couple of grams in weight or a couple of mm in length really make any difference at all?

Personally for me, it has to be a mental thing rather than physical.


I think back to when I started playing, old darts, no idea what weight they were at the time and only on looking them up recently found out what length they were - as I say at the time, I had no idea - I just played with them.


So I go back to my first 2 sets of darts as I remember them, 18 or 19g Leo Laurens (back heavy) were me first, when they went walkies I ended up with a set of 22 or 24g Steve Beaton style (front heavy) - so in possibility I went up between 3-6g with 2 completely different weight/balanced sets.

Never changed a thing, just turned up on darts night and threw them, no better, no worse - if a stem broke I would either use a spare, if I didnt have any I would either borrow one or buy a set for 30p from behind the bar - I remember at the time I was more bothered about the colour of the stems than the length so would regularly be flitting between short and medium stems, sometimes with a mixture!

What I am trying to say is, in my own experience, it is only now that we know the exact weight of a dart to the 0.1g and the exact length to the 0.1mm - hell we even know how much a stem or a point weighs - its not good for the mental game.

All I am trying to say, and I heed my own advice on this as I have spent £100's on darts over the last few years (not a lot in comparison) but does it really matter what weight the darts are to the gram or mm, I think if we like the look of the darts, like the feel and they fly well why do we (myself included) get bogged down by the technicalities of a couple of gram or a few mm?


My evidence is backed up from asking the old fella's in the team what darts they use a couple of months ago - not a single one of them had any idea exactly what weight or what length their barrels were - could hazard a guess but not one knew for certain as they have been using them for years - and every one of them can play great darts without getting tied up in measurements and weights......
However, they younger lads know the exact make, model, to the gram and mm of their arrows and on the whole are nowhere near as good as the old fella's..... I rest my case :hiding: lol

Main reason I've been selling all me darts - just added distraction that when things go wrong you think 'I'll give that other set a go, they are 3mm shorter and 2g lighter, maybe they will work' rather than just sticking with a set and getting on with it - I have been doing that for years and its done me a lot more harm than good, both at the oche and in me pocket......


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[DIRTY G]

I agree with Rebel BUUUUUUT (dont kill me Greg).
If for instance player X picked up a set of darts for the first time and never changed, yes he/she could become a good player even though those darts are not suited to their throw.
Now if player X picked up a different set of darts for the first time that suited their throw and never changed, then he/she would become a better player.
I think that It is very important to mix it up in the early stages, and try different thing's until one finds common ground, then and only then do you stick with the set of darts that suite your throw.

Personally I think Simon Whitlock would do better with straight barrel darts, but he probably picked up a set of front loaded darts when he was a kid and stuck with them lol

Dont get me wrong though Cat II, Rebels advice has merit, it won't take long for you to find a weight and shape that you like, just don't break the bank doing it, then stick with it no mater how mental you are!!!

[uncle poop]

Some good advice as always. One bit of advice, use the enter key to make new paragraphs. Nothing wrong with long posts but with the sentences all mashed together it makes it difficult to read. I had to read the post 3 times to get the gist of what you were saying/asking. Sentences were just mumbling together and I had to keep rereading sections.

Only thing I would say is find a set that feels comfortable in your hands. Once you have that you can change stems, flights and points to help you get the flight of the dart and landing angle the way you like. Throw a different set up for a week or more before changing it. You really would not get an idea of how the dart flys with just a few throws. I actually think I need to get slims or pears for my Fit Flight System. My current set up seems to be at a steeper angle then is needed.

[REBEL]

I agree with Rebel BUUUUUUT (dont kill me Greg).
If for instance player X picked up a set of darts for the first time and never changed, yes he/she could become a good player even though those darts are not suited to their throw.
Now if player X picked up a different set of darts for the first time that suited their throw and never changed, then he/she would become a better player.
I think that It is very important to mix it up in the early stages, and try different thing's until one finds common ground, then and only then do you stick with the set of darts that suite your throw.

Personally I think Simon Whitlock would do better with straight barrel darts, but he probably picked up a set of front loaded darts when he was a kid and stuck with them lol

Dont get me wrong though Cat II, Rebels advice has merit, it won't take long for you to find a weight and shape that you like, just don't break the bank doing it, then stick with it no mater how mental you are!!!

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I agree, early days try a couple of sets but don't get bogged down with the technicalities, all I am saying is that a couple of mm in length or a few grams in weight will not make the difference.

You need to like the look and feel of the dart IMO - if it flys well over a period of time, then are onto a winner, but its practice that improves a player not chopping and changing darts as I have found to my detriment Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.

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[Getagrip]

I think the biggest issue though is you are possibly trying to find the perfect set up without establishing your throw. I would really go for a middle ground dart to begin with and then only change one thing at a time such as stem length first. But I think a straight barrel dart with medium stems and standard flights of around 24 to 25 gram is the best to start with, then it is a case of using it for a few weeks while your throw is developing its muscle memory which is what Flight School will help with. But if your sure your throw is settled and consistent then you can experiment with the set up.

[Jimbo21]

With regards to your Tablet, have you updated the software lately?

[Cat]

Thanks Guys...as usual, you guys are right on target while newbie goes "where no one has gone before".
In short......
Quit over thinking
Get more practice under my belt.
Vary the shafts and flights til personal satisfaction is met.
GET IN TO FLIGHT SCHOOL!!!
Darts don't matter, the mind and hand wielding the dart matters- kinda go obi wan on it.
Quit rambling in darts and posts (thanks "unka P")
As for tablet, has automatic upgrade and is about 6 months old. Perhaps I should duct tape it over the bull...at this point...safest place in house for it.....lol.