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Poll: What do you like better?
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'01, it's the game of kings and the queen says it's the bees knees.
30.77%
52 30.77%
Cricket, those rebelious Americans and their thinking games.
14.20%
24 14.20%
Both, I like to play both and each brings it's own unique style to the oche.
47.34%
80 47.34%
Who cares? Shut up and just play.
7.69%
13 7.69%
Total 169 vote(s) 100%
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Cricket vs. '01, let's have at it shall we?
So there is a lot of cricket hate on these forums (at least from the European based members). So here we will have a hopefully civil debate on the pros and cons of both games. I will start us off with what I hope is a newer player's perspective of both games.

'01, I recently just started playing this game seriously after joining a local league. We play singles 301 double in and out, doubles 501 double in and out (only one player needs to do either) and singles 501 straight in and double out. I have to say these games get boring to watch and very frustrating to play.

I play in the D division (the lowest division) so it can take players 20+ darts to in. I have seen games and played in games where one team finally ins and their opponent(s) out right after. The only real excitement is when the players (which has happened often) are both trying to out on the 1. Again this can take a lot of darts to happen. For me at least it is like "yes that game is finally over", regardless who wins.

It is a frustrating game to play at a lower skill level. Hitting doubles is nearly impossible for me. Actually the only time I have hit doubles in the past was because I do not throw so well and an errant dart found the dub. Now that I am practicing to hit them I hit a double every 20 or so darts. The other thing with the game is everything scores. You hit a 1 it scores you hit a dub 20 it scores. To me it does not take much skill to just hit the board. Will you lose hitting nothing but 1's, yes but they still count. At lower levels I think the game loses a bit of something.

Pros- once in everything scores
easy game to learn how to play

Cons- doubling in is difficult (at least for newer players)
score keeping can be difficult for a lot of players
boring to watch (again at lower skill levels)
once in everything scores

Not my favorite of the two games to play.

Cricket, so this is the game I have ever known since starting to play darts. It is the game of choice at our tuesday dart night and one of the games we play in the league I joined. Our tuesday dart night consists of randomly picked teams and a double elimination tournament bracket. The league has doubles cricket with points (20-15 and bull) and singles cricket same format.

I do prefer cricket over '01. There is so much more to cricket. There are actual strategies you can use. And there will be times you need to change your strategy. Missing a number means not making a mark on the scoreboard. Falling behind puts more pressure on a player. There is a lot of decision making to do. Every game is different, even between the same opponents. Games are more exciting for players and spectators alike.

Pros- a strategy of some sort is needed
easy for players to score
exciting for players and spectators
not all numbers score

Cons- not an easy game to learn
not all numbers score (can be frustrating for new players)


For me '01 is a layman's game. Anyone can play as long as you can hit the scoring area (the whole board) you are good to go. There is no strategy until you near the end and have to decide what out you want to go for. Watching some youtube matches from England and after a few games I am like eh. In most games it was whomever went first won. Did guys miss and only get 140, yes. In the games I seen it came down to who doesn't miss the most. No strategy just skill at throwing. Which is fine and it is nice to see.

Cricket on the other hand is so much more complex. Does a player who is behind in points close out their opponents only open number then try to catch up later? Or do they go ahead on points themselves and put it on their opponents? Do you start off shooting bulls because you know your opponent is poor at it and it may throw off his game? A player who is ahead misses and now leaves the board open for their opponent to take the lead. Not only do you have to hit your marks but need to figure out what your next move is.

There is none of that in '01 it really is you and the board. Your opponent could be a continent away for all it matters they have no real effect on your game. It's not like if they hit a t20 you need to figure out your next move is, you just do the same thing go for the t20.
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I like both - I'm a decent Cricket player but maybe a hair better at 01.
I do believe that UK players once they play Cricket for a while would enjoy the game.
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Well said. Not much I can add, Poop. But just to throw a little gas on the fire… at my local, whenever non-players stumble drunkenly up to the board and want to play, the game of choice is doubles 501 because they don't have to know how to play and anything they hit (except the chalker) counts.
26's so far this year: I've already lost count. :-)

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(12-26-2013, 06:00 PM)*Saber* Wrote: I do believe that UK players once they play Cricket for a while would enjoy the game.
Probably a third of the players in my dart community are UK or Irish. Pretty sure they all favor cricket.
26's so far this year: I've already lost count. :-)

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I voted both. When I first learned to play, it was playing mainly Cricket as it is the game of choice for many players. Once in league, I got to liking the 01 games, particularly Singles 301 Double In, Double Out. I would be the first player each night of league as we started with Singles 301.

All 01 games are much easier to play than Cricket in any form whether singles, doubles or Super since they require strategy, many more numbers of importance, and the fact your strategy can induce your opponent to change their game and vice versa.

I will say this. After watching the top level 501 players for so many years on LIVEPDC and seeing how easily they can hit almost any trip on the board, I'd not want to play one of those scoring monsters a game of cricket. I've always said, I'd love to see guys like Taylor, Lewis, MVG, etc. get into a Cricket match with the amount of legs and sets they play 501 in and see who comes out on top.
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Being from uk or ireland makes no difference when you are brought up in america. I hate when americans say im irish/english etc. they may be from the past but if you have been born and brought up in america you are american. And considering noone in uk or ireland play cricket (in fact probably know the old game of cricket) i dont think they are really british or irish.
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The ones I'm talking about all moved here as 01-playing adults.
26's so far this year: I've already lost count. :-)

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(12-26-2013, 06:21 PM)gumbo2176 Wrote: I'd love to see guys like Taylor, Lewis, MVG, etc. get into a Cricket match with the amount of legs and sets they play 501 in and see who comes out on top.

It would be AWESOME to see Russ Bray and the chalkers trying to call and score a Cricket match between Lewis and MVG! Just watching them try to keep up with the maths would be pure entertainment! Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.
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(12-26-2013, 06:32 PM)JohnK Wrote:
(12-26-2013, 06:21 PM)gumbo2176 Wrote: I'd love to see guys like Taylor, Lewis, MVG, etc. get into a Cricket match with the amount of legs and sets they play 501 in and see who comes out on top.

It would be AWESOME to see Russ Bray and the chalkers trying to call and score a Cricket match between Lewis and MVG! Just watching them try to keep up with the maths would be pure entertainment! Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.


I think you'd need Bray and Kirk the Human Computer, or whatever he's called, each taking one player. It would be a lesson in speed scoring, or they could develop a self scoring sisal board similar to the technology they have in soft tip.
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(12-26-2013, 06:24 PM)mentos Wrote: Being from uk or ireland makes no difference when you are brought up in america. I hate when americans say im irish/english etc. they may be from the past but if you have been born and brought up in america you are american. And considering noone in uk or ireland play cricket (in fact probably know the old game of cricket) i dont think they are really british or irish.

That's funny I hate seeing that as well. I'm african american, italian american. I always ask these dummies if they have dual citizenships. If I were to say I am __/ american I would have 13+ nationalities and american at the end. I was born in america, I am an american. I do not need to single myself out as something else or differently than others.
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never played cricket so can only vote for 01
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What's next, a steel tip vs soft tip thread? :s
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(12-26-2013, 07:09 PM)Cyanide Wrote: What's next, a steel tip vs soft tip thread? :s

No way we all know steel tip is a man's game.
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(12-26-2013, 07:09 PM)Cyanide Wrote: What's next, a steel tip vs soft tip thread? :s


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If I may put it this way, those who play darts play cricket, those who are dart players play 01. Leave cricket to the soft tip community.

Cheers, Haggis...
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