darts advice

[nickmay7251]

Hi folks,

Can anyone help with this please! I have 23g darts, I like the angle of entry to the board to be flat/down a little (taylor like), so looking for advice at what best flights and stems to use to achieve this?

Many thanks!

[mento's]

What kind of flights do you use now? What way do they enter the board now? Generally the smaller the flight the lower the flight will be. It also depends on shape. I would suggest pears, if the flight is still up too high, slims. If its still too high try dxm's.

[DIRTY G]

Read this -----> https://www.dartsnutz.net/showthread.php?tid=1500
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[Dorian]

Hey DG your presentation is excellent, good reading and sound tips.

Cheers

[Getagrip]

Welcome to the forum Nick, what darts are you using?

[brenthahn]

Hey DG your presentation is excellent, good reading and sound tips.

+1! Best I've seen by far.

Especially love your backwards-flight demo.

Just one question -- you "... find that shorter stems seem to flatten the dart out a bit." For me, longer = flatter, and a lot longer = wiggle in the air and droop on the board. Guess we all need to figure it out for ourselves. Also guess that wasn't a question :-).

[Big Gun]

I flight my darts so they go up then down in an arc and hit the board between 30 and 45 degrees whatever flights or stems I use so I would say this is more to do with the way you throw rather than the set up as I can't stick my darts in the board with the flight lower than the point no matter what I do. But on saying that if you are a flatter thrower then smaller flights with heavier stems may be the way to go.

[USMC80]

Gun is right as usual. It has more to do with your throw then your setup. Although changing your stems flights can def get you closer to your goal

[DIRTY G]

Just one question -- you "... find that shorter stems seem to flatten the dart out a bit." For me, longer = flatter, and a lot longer = wiggle in the air and droop on the board. Guess we all need to figure it out for ourselves. Also guess that wasn't a question :-).

@brenthahn
Yea thats what I find, longer stems seems to droop EVER SO SLIGHTLY with consecutive increments, for me anyway. BUT WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT.
Imagine a perfectly stable thrown dart, if the flight's are the break's and the further the weight is away from that breaking point then the more incline to drop when slowing through the air, Sorta like picking up a bucket of water then picking up the same bucket on the end of a long handled shovel.
BUT if you get kick in your dart you can change the timing of the kick so that when it hits the board it lands at one's preferred angle, you can do this with flight shape and stem length. Think of the flight and stem like an ore.
Thats my theory anyway. and is only a guide line. see below

I flight my darts so they go up then down in an arc and hit the board between 30 and 45 degrees whatever flights or stems I use so I would say this is more to do with the way you throw rather than the set up as I can't stick my darts in the board with the flight lower than the point no matter what I do. But on saying that if you are a flatter thrower then smaller flights with heavier stems may be the way to go.

@BG

YEP there is those out there which it dosent matter what shape barrel or flight you give them the darts always land relatively the same , But few and far between, Ive tried this theory on quite a number of people and have only come across two who were stubborn, they both had that last second flicky kicky thing going on just before the dart hit the board with an extreme tail up angle.

Just out of curiosity, and I know you probably tried them all but have you tried slims or those small retro shape?
If you put a slim, a SMALL retro, and a standard flight on the three different darts and throw them at T1, T20, T5 then stand to the side and check the angles to see any difference.

Up until three or four weeks ago I could never throw a front weighted dart cus I didnt like the way they landed, Put some slims on and bingo, stack city. Only problem is now I can throw any shape barrel which = more searching for "THE ONE".

[Big Gun]

Ha ha G 'The One' doesn't exist whilst you believe there is just one. A good player can throw anything (so that's you now) we all just have a preference or a favourite or the set up we are most comfortable with but this can change with our moods or our eating habits as weight on or off changes your stance and your grip. That's why with darts you have to find you preferred set up and stick with it no matter what, little tweaks here and there on stems and flights are ok but the majority all end up back with what they started with in the beginning anyway as it's our comfort zone set up. Not many make the transition from short stumpy barrels to long slim ones. My preference has always been standard flights with med nylon stems and slim barrels with aggressive grip. I always go back to this after a loss of form and a few teaks to try something new and I encourage it. I have tried most shapes but will go back and try your theory again just to see what has changed with my throw in the past while.
I hope you find 'The One' but i bet you already have it but just don't realize it yet. If not you have 22 sets of The One in your collection lol. Funny old game this darts eh. Oh also I prefer my 1st dart above the wire of the T20 rather than below it but probably hit more 180's in a line across the treble than under or overstacking them in the treble but don't know if that's a good or a bad thing. What are those Wizlock caps like? are they a flight protector?

[*Saber*]

Ha ha G 'The One' doesn't exist whilst you believe there is just one. A good player can throw anything (so that's you now) we all just have a preference or a favourite or the set up we are most comfortable with but this can change with our moods or our eating habits as weight on or off changes your stance and your grip. That's why with darts you have to find you preferred set up and stick with it no matter what, little tweaks here and there on stems and flights are ok but the majority all end up back with what they started with in the beginning anyway as it's our comfort zone set up. Not many make the transition from short stumpy barrels to long slim ones. My preference has always been standard flights with med nylon stems and slim barrels with aggressive grip. I always go back to this after a loss of form and a few teaks to try something new and I encourage it. I have tried most shapes but will go back and try your theory again just to see what has changed with my throw in the past while.
I hope you find 'The One' but i bet you already have it but just don't realize it yet. If not you have 22 sets of The One in your collection lol. Funny old game this darts eh. Oh also I prefer my 1st dart above the wire of the T20 rather than below it but probably hit more 180's in a line across the treble than under or overstacking them in the treble but don't know if that's a good or a bad thing. What are those Wizlock caps like? are they a flight protector?

Getting tired of giving BG rep points- at this rate he gonna take over the forum. Good stuff Kevin, appreciate you sharing your expertise with all of us buddy.

[Getagrip]

I wonder what would happen if we were only allowed to use one type of weight and design? Guess we would have no choice but to get used to it, but would Taylor still be better than the others? Probably.

I know in some of the American Darts they only use a specific wooden dart and all the players have to use it.

[Big Gun]

You can never get enough points my friend so keep em coming lol.

This is why i believe that darts is such a psychological game and if we all had to play with the same darts you would still have the Taylor's at the top as they have the commitment and the mindset to win & keep winning and then its very habitual. I guarantee if you win your 1st 4 games of the season you will go on to win 2 thirds of your games for the rest of the season. Lose your 1st 4 and you start tweaking and changing your darts and even wanting to quit. so tell me this is not a mind game you play with yourself. It will send you crazt this Game we all love so much if you don't keep your head clear and focused.

[DIRTY G]

@Big Gun

AAAAWW!!! The "one dosent exist" could have told me that earlier lol, I always thought it was the one Taylor threw for ya. Dont tell my wife I'll have no excuse to get more. (love those little pricks, I want them all).
As you said its defo a preference thing with the lye of the dart, and according to what you prefer determines when you switch, you probably switch when the dart is under the target and use the barrels and flights as a buffer to slide the last couple into the target off your first one or two high markers (a kind of reverse staking if you will), whilst ill switch when it is over the target because although staking darts may be handy, the draw back is if you shoot low or touch a tiny piece of flight from an above dart the projected dart hits the board sideways and falls to the ground, a problem you dont get when your darts land tail up as it still has enough angle to stick into the board if this happens.
Im not saying to do it one way or the other but I do believe that a small tweak or different barrel shape could greatly improve the scoring power of an individual who's darts land at some EXTREME angles, be it a hanging dart or one that has the tip in the 60 with the flight touching tops.

As for the Wizlocks if ya use nylon stems and hate robin hoods or ya flights popping off, for 8.99 GBP for a punch and a set of caps they are worth a try.
I had to cut a small packer to get the hole in the right spot and keep the caps on tight, but for an 8.99 GBP made in China machine the little bit of tinkering was well worth it. Just dont have your tips ultra pointy as the cap are aluminium and only OCCASIONALLY dig in. Replacement caps are only 0.89 GBP
Practice punching flights on some old ones first till you get the hang of it. (I took the cover off the bottom and lined it up from underneath).
If you do go that way PM me and I will go into detail about the packer and such.

Here is the link and a pic of one setup.
https://www.puredarts.co.uk/search/resul...?s=WizLock
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[Getagrip]

You can never get enough points my friend so keep em coming lol.

This is why i believe that darts is such a psychological game and if we all had to play with the same darts you would still have the Taylor's at the top as they have the commitment and the mindset to win & keep winning and then its very habitual. I guarantee if you win your 1st 4 games of the season you will go on to win 2 thirds of your games for the rest of the season. Lose your 1st 4 and you start tweaking and changing your darts and even wanting to quit. so tell me this is not a mind game you play with yourself. It will send you crazt this Game we all love so much if you don't keep your head clear and focused.

I think Barney has had that problem for some time, he just cant get his frame of mind like how it used to be and his game has suffered for it, its a big shame as when he is firing on all cylinders he is a joy to watch.