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Is there a rivalry? Ahead of the Grand Slam of Darts, Sky Sports asked a panel of experts to assess the relationship between the PDC's big-hitters and the BDO underdogs.

Does the Grand Slam have a special feel because it brings the two organisations together?

Dave Clark: It's brilliant, it gives both codes the chance to flex their muscles before the respective world championships. A lot of players hit form at this time of the year with the Worlds around the corner and it just says who is the guv'nor in world darts - will it be one of the BDO boys, will it be one of the PDC boys?


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Simon Whitlock: We get to see what the other boys are doing from the other side! They've got some extremely good players.

Wayne Mardle: I'm disappointed it's not 16 v 16. The Grand Slam was incorporated to include BDO players and, over the years, it's become less and less.


Tell us about the rivalry - should we expect aggro at the Grand Slam?

Michael van Gerwen: There's no rivalry because only Glen Durrant can do damage. I can't see anyone else doing anything really good.

Dave Clark: There is definitely a rivalry but I think there is room for both, the amateur game and the professional game. The BDO has produced thousands of great players over the years. If it wasn't for the BDO there would be no PDC circuit.

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Wayne Mardle: If there is needle, it's caused by people from 'back in the day' thinking there's still a gripe. Believe me, the players couldn't care less. Van Gerwen isn't looking to win the Grand Slam because it's got BDO players in it. He's looking to win it because he's a greedy man!

Simon Whitlock: I don't think so - I play a lot of exhibitions with these boys and we're all good friends. We all just play darts, I don't think there's any rivalry.

Do you play your BDO counterparts often?

Michael van Gerwen: The last time I played a BDO player was last year, in the group stage, when I beat Mark Oosterhuis. I beat that guy 5-0.

Simon Whitlock: Not really, sometimes I'll go to a small tournament if I've got nothing else on, and I run into a few BDO players. Sometimes at an exhibition but it's pretty rare.

Who's the likeliest BDO player to win the Grand Slam?

Michael van Gerwen: I can't remember his name but he's a good player... Glen Durrant!

Wayne Mardle: It's been won before by the BDO, there's no reason it can't be done again. Scott Mitchell maybe, Glen Durrant? I believe Durrant can win it, he's a fantastic player - consistent, guts, determination. The longer the format, the harder he is to beat.

Martin 'Wolfie' Adams: It will be nice if one of us did win it. I was with Scotty Waites last week and he's up for winning it again, that's for sure. He always seems to do well in Wolverhampton and is looking forward to going back to the venue and hopefully repeating his success.

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Dave Clark: I really respect Martin Adams at the moment, he's been having treatment for prostate cancer and he has carried on competing. He reached a final in Italy last weekend and he is a three-time world champion and a great player. I think him against Michael van Gerwen will be the stand-out match of the tournament, certainly in the first round.

I'm not sure if they can win it, I don't think they quite reach the same high standards that the PDC can. Just look at the averages in the various tournaments and they aren't anywhere near as high as they are in the PDC for the BDO players. There will be some upsets along the way - Jamie Hughes is a good player, the BDO world No 4, he can do some damage in a group with James Wade and Dave Chisnall and James Wilson. He is one to look out for and a dangerous player.

Rod Studd: Glen Durrant is the ace in the pack. He would start as the favourite in the BDO world championship.
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Is it just me or was MVG a little cocky there
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(11-11-2016, 03:40 PM)TheDartFrog Wrote: Is it just me or was MVG a little cocky there

Possibly, but he basically is speaking the truth.    He didn't mention Martin Adams, who had a pretty good showing when he played against PDC opponents last year, but not sure how he's going to fare since I've heard he's had a bit of health issues recently.   

Either way, it should be good darts, but I see the PDC crowd pretty much running away with it.
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(11-11-2016, 03:40 PM)TheDartFrog Wrote: Is it just me or was MVG a little cocky there

Not you - I thought the same thing!
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I think any one of Durrant, Adams or Waites could have a good run, especially the latter. Waites has won it before and he was in imperious form in the BDO champs this year.
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MvG usually comes cross well and as a nice bloke, but I thought his comments in this article were a bit disrespectful... wonder if he'll have the same views if wolfie somehow manages to stick one up him!!
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(11-11-2016, 05:06 PM)ElusiveDouble85 Wrote: MvG usually comes cross well and as a nice bloke, but I thought his comments in this article were a bit disrespectful... wonder if he'll have the same views if wolfie somehow manages to stick one up him!!,

He certainly does get full of himself at times.   I like that he has confidence and that is one of the traits of a true champion, because without it, it becomes easier to have an excuse to lose.    But you don't ever take an opponent lightly, no matter how many times you've beaten them.
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(11-11-2016, 04:35 PM)Lurker1 Wrote:
(11-11-2016, 03:40 PM)TheDartFrog Wrote: Is it just me or was MVG a little cocky there

Not you - I thought the same thing!

He has been getting snarkey more and more lately...few comments 're. Whitlock because they have met a few times lately...if he gets too cocky he becomes beatable so let him tear away Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.
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I think there is although a few wont admit it
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(11-11-2016, 06:11 PM)gumbo2176 Wrote:
(11-11-2016, 05:06 PM)ElusiveDouble85 Wrote: MvG usually comes cross well and as a nice bloke, but I thought his comments in this article were a bit disrespectful... wonder if he'll have the same views if wolfie somehow manages to stick one up him!!,

He certainly does get full of himself at times.   I like that he has confidence and that is one of the traits of a true champion, because without it, it becomes easier to have an excuse to lose.    But you don't ever take an opponent lightly, no matter how many times you've beaten them.

Exactly, there is nothing wrong with confidence and stating that you are the best. That is just another thing that makes mvg so dangerous, because he knows and truly believe that he is the best. However, to basically belittle the entire BDO (apart from Duzza) I thought was uncalled for
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(11-11-2016, 06:22 PM)hamo Wrote:
(11-11-2016, 04:35 PM)Lurker1 Wrote:
(11-11-2016, 03:40 PM)TheDartFrog Wrote: Is it just me or was MVG a little cocky there

Not you - I thought the same thing!

He has been getting snarkey more and more lately...few comments 're. Whitlock because they have met a few times lately...if he gets too cocky he becomes beatable so let him tear away Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.
Got to agree with that, Confidence /Respect =good. Arrogance & Dis respect = Bad   he perhaps should remember the old addage that when you are at the top there is only one way to go "  DOWN" he is without  doubt an excellent darter maybe the best ever but if he puts up other players backs with his attitude it will not get him respect & or help should he need it, it seems that other top players are sponsoring/helping younger up coming players  but nothing is said about MvG putting in a a bit back of the vast amount he has received from his winnings etc. I don't know maybe he does
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(11-14-2016, 10:17 AM)Little al Wrote:
(11-11-2016, 06:22 PM)hamo Wrote:
(11-11-2016, 04:35 PM)Lurker1 Wrote:
(11-11-2016, 03:40 PM)TheDartFrog Wrote: Is it just me or was MVG a little cocky there

Not you - I thought the same thing!

He has been getting snarkey more and more lately...few comments 're. Whitlock because they have met a few times lately...if he gets too cocky he becomes beatable so let him tear away Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.
Got to agree with that, Confidence /Respect =good. Arrogance & Dis respect = Bad   he perhaps should remember the old addage that when you are at the top there is only one way to go "  DOWN" he is without  doubt an excellent darter maybe the best ever but if he puts up other players backs with his attitude it will not get him respect & or help should he need it, it seems that other top players are sponsoring/helping younger up coming players  but nothing is said about MvG putting in a a bit back of the vast amount he has received from his winnings etc. I don't know maybe he does

I have several problems with MVG, but this isn't one of them. Gary still got a cut from Michael Smith' prize money when the lad was top 10 himself. I'm not sure everyone is doing it solely because the love of the game.
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(11-14-2016, 05:41 PM)FordHam Wrote:
(11-14-2016, 10:17 AM)Little al Wrote:
(11-11-2016, 06:22 PM)hamo Wrote:
(11-11-2016, 04:35 PM)Lurker1 Wrote:
(11-11-2016, 03:40 PM)TheDartFrog Wrote: Is it just me or was MVG a little cocky there

Not you - I thought the same thing!

He has been getting snarkey more and more lately...few comments 're. Whitlock because they have met a few times lately...if he gets too cocky he becomes beatable so let him tear away Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.
Got to agree with that, Confidence /Respect =good. Arrogance & Dis respect = Bad   he perhaps should remember the old addage that when you are at the top there is only one way to go "  DOWN" he is without  doubt an excellent darter maybe the best ever but if he puts up other players backs with his attitude it will not get him respect & or help should he need it, it seems that other top players are sponsoring/helping younger up coming players  but nothing is said about MvG putting in a a bit back of the vast amount he has received from his winnings etc. I don't know maybe he does

I have several problems with MVG, but this isn't one of them. Gary still got a cut from Michael Smith' prize money when the lad was top 10 himself. I'm not sure everyone is doing it solely because the love of the game.
I did not know that. To me when receiving sponsor ship during my road motor cycle racing days the sponsors didn't ask for any money from my start money/winnings it was more goodwill on both parties  my bike going well brought them work preparing other competitors bikes.
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