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Darts landing at an angle
Hi Friends,

Lately, I have been throwing some of the best darts in my life, but I'm having a bit of an issue that's preventing me from doing even better.

I would 1 out of every 3 darts is landing with the flight to the left and the point to the right (sideways). It's typically the first dart I throw and it's almost always/only when I throw at 20. Never an issue w/ 19 or doubles. There's nothing more annoying than hitting a treble 1 and having the rest of the dart block treble 20.

I'm wondering if it's a mental thing? Of course, thinking about it may make it worse.

Equipment-wise, I shoot a 25 gram Piranah Razor with clic-flights and short size shafts. My dart is pretty long and I don't know the exact dimensions but I'm thinking it might be 52mm. Could my dart be too long, causing a wobble? I use a front grip.

I'm open to trying a different design.

Curious as to your thoughts, and thank you in advance.

john
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Can you mark each dart in some way (e.g. 1, 2 and 3 dots on the flight with a sharpie) and see if it's the same dart each time?

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I think it may have to do with the way the dart is released. I have the same problem at times. The dart and flight tries to correct any imperfection in the trajectory, but has a pendulum affect. See if you can get one of your mates to film you from behind and the side with their iPhone, then slow it down and watch the release and flight of the dart. My problem (one of'em) is, I tend to go a little side-armed and my dart drifts in to the T1 and blocks the T20.

Good luck with it,
Pat
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I have an ongoing issue with this, although mine land in the opposite direction. I did find that a longer dart made it worse which has me thinking that gripping the dart in front of the balance point of the dart could be the problem.
Changing to a lighter/narrower stem to shift the weight balance forward a bit and putting on a bigger flight for more control seems to help.
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does it happen without the clic system?
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does it happen without the clic system? 

I just recently started using the clic system, maybe 2-3 months ago? I don't recall it happening when I first started using it. It's more of a recent development. I have tried switching the shaft to a shorter (micro, extra short) and it doesn't seem to happen with that set up with a 150 micron flight. But, it just feels...awkward?

See if you can get one of your mates to film you from behind and the side with their iPhone, then slow it down and watch the release and flight of the dart.

Great idea.

Can you mark each dart in some way (e.g. 1, 2 and 3 dots on the flight with a sharpie) and see if it's the same dart each time?

I'm guessing you're insinuating that it may be a faulty flight? Good idea.

I wonder if a 48-50 mm straight barreled dart may help...but what would the ideal balance point be?
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(10-21-2016, 04:58 PM)jdispaldo Wrote: Can you mark each dart in some way (e.g. 1, 2 and 3 dots on the flight with a sharpie) and see if it's the same dart each time?

I'm guessing you're insinuating that it may be a faulty flight? Good idea.

Exactly!  I'd personally try to rule out it being a simple equipment problem before anything else.  If it's a different physical dart each time then the next thing I'd consider is whether it was happening on the same throw e.g. first, second or third dart.  If it happens randomly then it's time to consider what else you are doing.

I know personally that it's easier to do a full follow through, and hold it on my third dart, as there's no need for my hand to be heading off to grab the next dart.  If I want my first two darts to be delivered the same as my third then I need to consciously avoid it heading away.  Not easy and not unconscious yet but it will come with practice.

*** Overthinking Alert ***
If you think about it then each dart delivery can have a different aspect to it.... Dart 1 starts from from a unique position as it is not gathered following a throw; you can take as much time to get your grip right as you need.  Dart 2 has pressures from both sides; it's grabbed following a previous throw and dart 3 is waiting for its turn.  Dart 3, like dart 2, is grabbed following a throw but it doesn't have to hurry its finish as there's no dart 4 waiting in the wings.  Given these aspects then it's possible that hurrying one of these components (e.g. the follow through, the feed of the next dart, etc.) could be affecting your throw.

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(10-22-2016, 03:01 AM)Banz Wrote: [quote='jdispaldo' pid='341021' dateline='1477065498']

Can you mark each dart in some way (e.g. 1, 2 and 3 dots on the flight with a sharpie) and see if it's the same dart each time?

I'm guessing you're insinuating that it may be a faulty flight? Good idea.

Exactly!  I'd personally try to rule out it being a simple equipment problem before anything else.  

I've been working on this since I posted and have noticed that it's exclusively the first dart. I've even tried marking it.

SO that begs the question: How do I get into a better "groove" with my first dart? OR is it a matter of finding a dart with a more pronounced grip point, like something scalloped? I have been looking for an excuse to buy a set of Merv King's!
Seriously though...it's annoying!
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(10-22-2016, 10:32 PM)jdispaldo Wrote: SO that begs the question: How do I get into a better "groove" with my first dart? OR is it a matter of finding a dart with a more pronounced grip point, like something scalloped? I have been looking for an excuse to buy a set of Merv King's!
Seriously though...it's annoying!

I will never stand between a Nutz and a new set of darts.  That's like getting between a lioness and her cubs!

If it's always the first dart that you throw then it seems to be an issue with you process.  A wayward first dart is not uncommon for me and it comes down (I believe) to a lack of focus.  Also once you thrown the first dart you get into the swing of it and make the adjustments you need to find the target.

I'll level with you: I don't really know what's going wrong here so take any of my suggestions in the spirit of nothing more than well-meaning advice!

Thought 1 
Do you get the same wonky dart when doing big switches that require you to completely re-aim?  What happens if you take 5 visits and throw at T20, then T16, then T10?  Do you get more angled darts or the same?

Thought 2 
I sometimes get fishtailing when my release is not clean.  I try to concentrate on my hand coming through in a straight line and my follow through going all the way to full extension, and then holding it until the dart lands.  This really helps the dart to come out straight with no side-to-side wobble.

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Hey folks new on here upon reading your comments I've came across the same problem with a mate of mine, analysing his throw I noticed on the first dart the arm and wrist extension wasn't as full as the second and third dart. Told him to concentrate on keeping the arm straight and fully extending upon release seemed to help him, might be worth a try.
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(10-23-2016, 09:30 PM)Chris Bennett Wrote: Hey folks new on here upon reading your comments I've came across the same problem with a mate of mine, analysing his throw I noticed on the first dart the arm and wrist extension wasn't as full as the second and third dart. Told him to concentrate on keeping the arm straight and fully extending upon release seemed to help him, might be worth a try.

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