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Did you notice the tuning of darts from Kokiri 2016 PDC world championship
if you look at 2016 PDC world championship Beaton VS kokiri
Kokiri's dart are sharking (tuning) almost everytime when it hit the board.
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One80 Re-Flex points


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Looks like he's using the reflex points. They're very thin and oscillate when it hits the board.
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Is that considered a movable point? I didn't think you could use them in the PDC.
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(05-03-2016, 02:28 AM)Nucky Wrote: Is that considered a movable point? I didn't think you could use them in the PDC.

There was a rule back in the day that banned movable points. But it was reversed the next year. This was back in the late 80's or 90's.
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The reflex points are super thin, I'd worry about them breaking to be honest...
has anyone tried them?
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The BDO banned spring loaded darts back in the 80s, not long after Deller won the title. Partly because of worries that the odd trajectory they could sometimes take when bouncing out would be a danger to spectators at a lower level. The PDC omitted this rule when they formed and later it was dropped by the BDO due to sprung darts being of a better quality.
Reflex points are different again but have been cleared for competition play by the WDF and the BDO and PDC have followed suit. There are a few players in the PDC who use them or have used them, most notably Peter Wright used reflex points for a short while in the Premier League. In the BDO Deta Hedman is the most notable user of reflex points. Deta also uses 28g darts so the osculation effect is a lot more pronounced.
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(05-03-2016, 03:10 AM)davidsproull Wrote: The reflex points are super thin, I'd worry about them breaking to be honest...
has anyone tried them?

There was one member here who has one point break near the barrel. One80 replaced the dart or the entire set IIRC.
There have hardly been any reports of reflex points breaking, if not, darters would make quite a noise about it I believe. One can Google it. There was also one mention of bending on Reddit, and it was addresses with a set of pliers.  Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.  I figure it must be made of some kind of toughened spring steel.
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Kokiri's points look as if they have taper, a long taper towards the tip. Reflex points are very thin for the full length of the point. He also seems to be using Tridents. I don't think Tridents work with Reflex. If I had to guess, his points look like the "Hypo Series" points from Shoot the Bull dart shop in St. Louis, Mo. or even the new "Piranha" points form Dart World. Seems they are slightly longer than Reflex points even longer than standard points, but I can't say for sure. The original Hypo points were from the Atlanta Darts Co., no longer in business.
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(05-05-2016, 07:20 PM)boogie Wrote: Kokiri's points look as if they have taper, a long taper towards the tip. Reflex points are very thin for the full length of the point. He also seems to be using Tridents. I don't think Tridents work with Reflex. If I had to guess, his points look like the "Hypo Series" points from Shoot the Bull dart shop in St. Louis, Mo. or even the new "Piranha" points form Dart World. Seems they are slightly longer than Reflex points even longer than standard points, but I can't say for sure. The original  Hypo points were from the Atlanta Darts Co., no longer in business.
Boogie

He's using reflex conversions on soft tip barrels.
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(05-06-2016, 11:44 AM)JohnL. Wrote: He's using reflex conversions on soft tip barrels.

Are you sure? I didn't think that was allowed in PDC competition for some reason. To quote the DRA rulebook:

5.1 Administration


5.1.1 Players shall provide their own darts which shall not exceed an overall maximum 
length of 30.5 cms (12ins) nor weigh more than 50 grams. Each dart shall consist 
of a needle shaped point which shall be fixed to a barrel. 

That makes it sound to me like it has to be bespoke steel tip, but you could argue a softip is "fixed" to the barrel by the thread... but it can be unscrewed so it's not "fixed" as such. I'm confused now!
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(05-05-2016, 07:20 PM)boogie Wrote: Kokiri's points look as if they have taper, a long taper towards the tip. Reflex points are very thin for the full length of the point. He also seems to be using Tridents. I don't think Tridents work with Reflex. If I had to guess, his points look like the "Hypo Series" points from Shoot the Bull dart shop in St. Louis, Mo. or even the new "Piranha" points form Dart World. Seems they are slightly longer than Reflex points even longer than standard points, but I can't say for sure. The original  Hypo points were from the Atlanta Darts Co., no longer in business.
Boogie

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It does look like he's very clearly using tridents on them as well in the video.

https://www.thedartshop.com/product/100871/

https://www.edarts.net/access/piranha_points.shtml

Josh, I guess it depends on what is their definition of 'fixed'.
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I think the points are a grey area, there are a couple who were using conversions and certainly in the past Unicorn TriPoint was used with no comment in both BDO and PDC. Of the players who come from a soft tip backgroud there is a mix of those who use conversion points and those who used different darts.
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If you look at the PDC world championships or even the world cup there's a bunch of players that use a screw in conversion point. The only rule that players must abide by is the point HAS to be metal.
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(05-06-2016, 05:00 PM)Cyanide Wrote: If you look at the PDC world championships or even the world cup there's a bunch of players that use a screw in conversion point. The only rule that players must abide by is the point HAS to be metal.

Well shucks, never knew that! So my venture in buying these 12g Sharks was a useless one then lol Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.

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