Shooting bull on third dart to setup

[Grey Owl]

It escapes me when and why the Pros shoot the bull on their last dart to setup for their next return on the Oche.

I get it that they want to leave themselves on a 3 dart out that doesnt require a triple or perhaps 1 triple before the double instead on two triples beforehand.

Any special numbers to remember?

[BigE]

It is a safety shot.

On 125.... if you hit SB on last dart you are on a two dart finish and need only one triple.

If instead you go T20 and hit the S20, you're still on a three dart finish.

It is also a good shot on 105, 85 or 65.

And if you need to add pressure, SB on 195 leaves 170. No one wants to lose to a 170 finish.

[Banned]

It escapes me when and why the Pros shoot the bull on their last dart to setup for their next return on the Oche.

I get it that they want to leave themselves on a 3 dart out that doesnt require a triple or perhaps 1 triple before the double instead on two triples beforehand.

Any special numbers to remember?

Yes, but there's a TON to remember. It's an advanced part of 01 that many people have a hard time figuring out. But you're ahead of most because you questioned as to WHY they shoot bull on their last dart a lot. So that's a good thing Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.

Instead of giving you specific numbers I can tell you they shoot at the bull last dart to get them off a huge out that requires a bull finish. Barney does it a lot from 261. He might score 80 points with his first 2 darts and instead of going for a straight 100 to leave 161 he'll go for a bull to leave 156.

MvG is a genius when setting up. You'll see him use the bull often and there's ALWAYS a reason behind it. From 164 for example, he'll start on 19's. In the rare case he misses the treble he'll switch to 20's. This allows him to have a shot at the bull with the last dart to leave an even 100. many players will go 20's from 164 but I've also seen them leave 101 after scoring 60 points. What's a better outshot, 100 or 101?

When players have 181 left, which is a common leave they might 2 single 20's to leave 141. This is when they go bull last dart. 116 is miles easier then a 121. The pro's are trying to eliminate the bull finish if they can. Same goes if they score 80 points from 181. A straight ton leaves 81. A lot of the time they'll go bull to leave 76 instead of 81. Again, 76 is a WAY easier shot to make under pressure.

I could ramble on about many other times to use bull but instead check out my set up thread. I go into detail about many of the set up shots and how to make things easier on yourself. https://www.dartsnutz.net/showthread.php?tid=9449

[Grey Owl]

It escapes me when and why the Pros shoot the bull on their last dart to setup for their next return on the Oche.

I get it that they want to leave themselves on a 3 dart out that doesnt require a triple or perhaps 1 triple before the double instead on two triples beforehand.

Any special numbers to remember?

Yes, but there's a TON to remember. It's an advanced part of 01 that many people have a hard time figuring out. But you're ahead of most because you questioned as to WHY they shoot bull on their last dart a lot. So that's a good thing Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.

Instead of giving you specific numbers I can tell you they shoot at the bull last dart to get them off a huge out that requires a bull finish. Barney does it a lot from 261. He might score 80 points with his first 2 darts and instead of going for a straight 100 to leave 161 he'll go for a bull to leave 156.

MvG is a genius when setting up. You'll see him use the bull often and there's ALWAYS a reason behind it. From 164 for example, he'll start on 19's. In the rare case he misses the treble he'll switch to 20's. This allows him to have a shot at the bull with the last dart to leave an even 100. many players will go 20's from 164 but I've also seen them leave 101 after scoring 60 points. What's a better outshot, 100 or 101?

When players have 181 left, which is a common leave they might 2 single 20's to leave 141. This is when they go bull last dart. 116 is miles easier then a 121. The pro's are trying to eliminate the bull finish if they can. Same goes if they score 80 points from 181. A straight ton leaves 81. A lot of the time they'll go bull to leave 76 instead of 81. Again, 76 is a WAY easier shot to make under pressure.

I could ramble on about many other times to use bull but instead check out my set up thread. I go into detail about many of the set up shots and how to make things easier on yourself. https://www.dartsnutz.net/showthread.php?tid=9449

Thanks. Great link.

[Grey Owl]

It is a safety shot.

On 125.... if you hit SB on last dart you are on a two dart finish and need only one triple.

If instead you go T20 and hit the S20, you're still on a three dart finish.

It is also a good shot on 105, 85 or 65.

And if you need to add pressure, SB on 195 leaves 170. No one wants to lose to a 170 finish.

I agree ... Pressurize as the pundits say. Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.

[Grey Owl]

I did my homework and this is what I came up with.

Enjoy and let's educate each other in this fascinating game called darts.


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[BigE]

I was just watching Thornton v Brown on youtube. Brown sitting on 32. Thornton throwing for 97. He goes T19 (57) and hits 7 instead... 90 left.

Two darts in hand, he tosses at the DB to leave tops. This makes NO sense to me, as the T18 (54) is larger than the DB, and Brown in on 32.

Is this some sort of insult to Brown or is this the right shot?

[ElusiveDouble85]

I believe in that instance it may have been frustration from Thornton and also his preference for tops, but I would suggest T18 being the more common (not neccessarily correct as it is all open for interpretation!!) shot here and certainly the one I would go for

[Banned]

I was just watching Thornton v Brown on youtube. Brown sitting on 32. Thornton throwing for 97. He goes T19 (57) and hits 7 instead... 90 left.

Two darts in hand, he tosses at the DB to leave tops. This makes NO sense to me, as the T18 (54) is larger than the DB, and Brown in on 32.

Is this some sort of insult to Brown or is this the right shot?

Definitely not the 'correct' shot but in that case it worked. I've seen Mervyn King go the wrong way on many outshots but because of his incredible skill he makes a few of those shots. But... he could be a whole lot better if he stopped going 16's with 80 left. I've seen it cost him MANY legs.

[Grey Owl]

I believe in that instance it may have been frustration from Thornton and also his preference for tops, but I would suggest T18 being the more common (not neccessarily correct as it is all open for interpretation!!) shot here and certainly the one I would go for

This is my take on him as well.

[BigE]

I should mention that he missed the DB... even the SB!

His attitude on the stage is terrible. Reminds me of my own sucky boy bad habits.

[Banned]

I should mention that he missed the DB... even the SB!

His attitude on the stage is terrible. Reminds me of my own sucky boy bad habits.

Oh. Even worse then. The way I read it I thought he might have made the shot. But like you said, 54 was a much bigger target and the correct shot in that situation.

[Dartbuggy]

I did my homework and this is what I came up with.

Enjoy and let's educate each other in this fascinating game called darts.

I have an out-chart that also makes mention of a T29. I still haven't found it yet.

[habanerojooz]

It escapes me when and why the Pros shoot the bull on their last dart to setup for their next return on the Oche.

I get it that they want to leave themselves on a 3 dart out that doesnt require a triple or perhaps 1 triple before the double instead on two triples beforehand.

Any special numbers to remember?

Here's the situation - My opponent is on an out. I have 232 left.

Before I step to the line, I quickly think through my options. I see that a solid 60 leaves me 172. This is not an out.

With 232 remaining, I determine that two fat 20's leaves me 192. I know that from 192, I can't get to 170 on my 3rd dart with any fat single 1 thru 20...but I see that a single bull (25pts) brings me to an out (232-65=167).

If you have 3 darts and 232 remaining, and if you're planning on attempting to bring 232 down by throwing at T20's, this is an example of when you might want to throw a bull on the 3rd dart.

[Regulatori]

Like others have said, I don't think about it much unless I'm at 141-145 with one dart in hand. Then it's the bull so I only have to deal with one triple.

I try to use the bull more now that I'm getting more accurate.