Shot Darts

Bigger Flights ?
I have no real big issues with this, but looking for different opinions on the matter :

My darts land in the board perfectly flat. There is virtualy no visible angle be it positive or negative. This is partly because of the Whizlocks that add some weight, but playing without them is out of question for me.

Would it be beneficial to use bigger flights ? Would a positive angle give me better line of sight or is it something that im paying too much attention to ?

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thought i heard that larger flights can correct poor throw more than smaller flights.
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Way bigger flights than i use already.
I love my darts landing flat.
Do you throw hard or do you just ease them in.
Really hard to analyze someone's throw without seeing it.
But whats your main problem?
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(07-15-2015, 01:21 PM)Assassin Wrote: Way bigger flights than i use already.
I love my darts landing flat.
Do you throw hard or do you just ease them in.
Really hard to analyze someone's throw without seeing it.
But whats your main problem?

There isn't a problem as such, i am not a hard thrower either. However judging from TV , most of the players have their darts landing on a positive angle between 10 and 30 degrees from what i could see. So i thought maybe it is something i should look into.
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Just a personal opinion, but I don’t think darts landing flat is something that needs to be corrected. For whatever reason, mine land with tail ends around 10 degrees up and I do prefer that. I sandpaper the tail ends of my cheap “durable nylon” shafts to a crude point, so I’m achieving part of the effect of the Whizlock caps without adding on any tail end weight. It’s crude, it isn’t the full equal of the Whizlock caps and doesn’t achieve their full effect, but it’s cost-free partial substitute and doesn’t add on any tail end weight. Good luck with your quest to get things adjusted.
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Hmm, they look like standards in the pic? How much bigger can you go really?.
I would try some kites or big wings (just to try and suss out)
I hate mine landing ass down so big helps my throw.

Have you tried a different length stem at all?
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(07-15-2015, 05:49 PM)Cookster Wrote: Hmm, they look like standards in the pic? How much bigger can you go really?.
I would try some kites or big wings (just to try and suss out)
I hate mine landing ass down so big helps my throw.

Have you tried a different length stem at all?

I am playing a what its called Inbetween length L-Shafts of 26 mm, and pretty pleased with it. Harrows offers bigger flights - Max Air, last i checked Terry Jenkins was playing with them. Also there is slight difference in dimensions between "Standards" for different manufacturers.
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(07-15-2015, 08:50 PM)Gadasoft Wrote:
(07-15-2015, 05:49 PM)Cookster Wrote: Hmm, they look like standards in the pic? How much bigger can you go really?.
I would try some kites or big wings (just to try and suss out)
I hate mine landing ass down so big helps my throw.

Have you tried a different length stem at all?

I am playing a what its called Inbetween length L-Shafts of 26 mm, and pretty pleased with it. Harrows offers bigger flights - Max Air, last i checked Terry Jenkins was playing with them. Also there is slight difference in dimensions between "Standards" for different manufacturers.

Of course this is not an exact science, but more often than not a shorter stem will help the flight sit up more. Does with my throw and its also the advice Ive seen most often.
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Since you are not firing the dart like a bullet from a gun, the ideal toss has the dart leaving your hand with point up, reaching max height with point flat to the floor and then coming down with point angled downwards. This is apparently not happening as the dart is landing flat.

So, it must be that the dart is wobbling up/down as it flies, with the point moving up and down hunting for the board. This hunting can be a problem, since it can lead to deflections and darts on the floor after crashing into the flights.

You can try to fix it with longer shafts and/or bigger flights, but the best fix is to cure the issue in your stroke/grip/release.

This wobble/hunting indicates that you are putting some unneeded energy into the vertical plane.... dropping the elbow and then raising it back would do that, or just raising it with the dart still in hand... release issues, wrist snap issues, lunging, .... all could cause that behaviour.

Video is really the only way to tell.
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(07-15-2015, 09:10 PM)BigE Wrote: Since you are not firing the dart like a bullet from a gun, the ideal toss has the dart leaving your hand with point up, reaching max height with point flat to the floor and then coming down with point angled downwards. This is apparently not happening as the dart is landing flat.

So, it must be that the dart is wobbling up/down as it flies, with the point moving up and down hunting for the board. This hunting can be a problem, since it can lead to deflections and darts on the floor after crashing into the flights.

You can try to fix it with longer shafts and/or bigger flights, but the best fix is to cure the issue in your stroke/grip/release.

This wobble/hunting indicates that you are putting some unneeded energy into the vertical plane.... dropping the elbow and then raising it back would do that, or just raising it with the dart still in hand... release issues, wrist snap issues, lunging, .... all could cause that behaviour.

Video is really the only way to tell.

Barney and Taylor both release their darts point down or flat, and they hit the board point up or flat. Maybe they would've been more successful if they didn't have this "problem," but I would say they did/are doing just fine.
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It is true, they don't have the perfect throw.

But, looking at what they do right, they don't raise or lower their elbows prior to release either.

Just goes to show you just how essential that movement is to success.
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Good posts guys for sure. Mine land tails up mostly.
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(07-15-2015, 09:10 PM)BigE Wrote: Since you are not firing the dart like a bullet from a gun, the ideal toss has the dart leaving your hand with point up, reaching max height with point flat to the floor and then coming down with point angled downwards. This is apparently not happening as the dart is landing flat.

So, it must be that the dart is wobbling up/down as it flies, with the point moving up and down hunting for the board. This hunting can be a problem, since it can lead to deflections and darts on the floor after crashing into the flights.

You can try to fix it with longer shafts and/or bigger flights, but the best fix is to cure the issue in your stroke/grip/release.

This wobble/hunting indicates that you are putting some unneeded energy into the vertical plane.... dropping the elbow and then raising it back would do that, or just raising it with the dart still in hand... release issues, wrist snap issues, lunging, .... all could cause that behaviour.

Video is really the only way to tell.

Can't really make a video that would show a good angle, but you are right i release the dart somewhat flat and it behaves taylor-esque in the air. I will try and see if i can work and improve on that.

Thanks alot for your time everyone.
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