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Hands after release and follow through(NOW with pictures)
My hands/wrist flairs towards the pinky side. It seems many of the pros have flat hands and no flairs.


Any ideas as I suspect correcting this will help my consistency.
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Forward motion picture

https://s40.photobucket.com/user/roger_d...5.jpg.html


Release hands

https://s40.photobucket.com/user/roger_d...7.jpg.html
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(06-16-2015, 03:42 PM)Grey Owl Wrote: Forward motion picture

https://s40.photobucket.com/user/roger_d...5.jpg.html


Release handsssssssssss

https://s40.photobucket.com/user/roger_d...7.jpg.html

Does that release picture show you pulling up at max extension?  That's a huge no-no.

Not because it's bad form, but because you can hurt yourself very badly and get tendonitis.

Or, maybe another question works better.... does that pic show the hand "getting out of the way", so that there is no snap down?  That can be a sign that you're body is protecting itself by not pulling the hand down. 

Do you have any pain on the inside elbow bone?

If either of these is true, the thing to work on is the snap down of the wrist. Not at the end only, but integrated throughout the entire throw, so it starts to snap down when you start to throw, and it is flat/parallel or more by the time you are at max extension. Note, the snap does not have to be forceful. The whole idea is so that when you are reaching, you are not overstretching the muscles that pull the hand down..... you will be if your wrist is still up at maximum reach... just like a morning stretch, only over and over again, and throwing the arm into the stretch. A stretch at best ought to be gentle.
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Paul nicholson seems to flair towards his pinky side, is that what you mean?
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(10-30-2015, 06:22 AM)Dmott Wrote: Paul nicholson seems to flair towards his pinky side, is that what you mean?

I don't see it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlCXqUlsaaY#t=0m36s
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Grey Owl - I have been struggling with the same problem, I think. I had a flair to the right with my hand after release. After self-analysis, I found that my hand tended to move a bit to the left and then back to the right during the throw (I am right handed) resulting in a flair to the right at full extension. Also, I did not have a consistent finishing point. This led to a lot of the dreaded "26's".

I realized pretty quickly that my elbow was not staying put during my throw and was rotating to the right causing the diagonal motion I was fighting.

I am now focusing on something I had completely overlooked and this is the draw back portion of my stroke. By starting with my lower arm completely upright, locking my elbow in place and drawing back and down to just under my chin I am now very vertical on my forward motion. This has dramatically decreased my left to right scatter and I am beginning to get the classic "palm down/pointing at the target" finish that the better players always seem to have.
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(10-30-2015, 06:31 AM)BigE Wrote:
(10-30-2015, 06:22 AM)Dmott Wrote: Paul nicholson seems to flair towards his pinky side, is that what you mean?

I don't see it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlCXqUlsaaY#t=0m36s

I've never looked closely at it, but for some reason it has always stood out as a weird flip of the wrist to me. If you look at this throw alone it doesn't really look too strange, but if you compare it to other pros it looks a little strange to me. It is almost like he is trying to end up with his palm flat, but overemphasizes it.

Here are a few Unicorn chat videos, to keep the angles similar:
Paul Nicholson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYkuMx7lcGQ

John Lowe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEUxnJbQ8cU

Kevin Painter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJrdRdwXK88

Terry Jenkins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS3PoHakd4U

James Wade, doesn't seem too far of Paul Nicholson but hes lefty so its kinda hard to compare. Still seems like a little less twist of the wrist compared to Nicholson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5bsujD_Jzk

I'm not saying its a bad idea, because I have read and heard the tip of following through with your palm flat to the ground, but what is the reasoning behind it? Nobody really throws with their palm flat to the board, so why is it beneficial to twist at the elbow and end up with the palm flat to the floor? Its supposed to somehow help with a clean release?
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(10-30-2015, 07:36 PM)Dmott Wrote:
(10-30-2015, 06:31 AM)BigE Wrote:
(10-30-2015, 06:22 AM)Dmott Wrote: Paul nicholson seems to flair towards his pinky side, is that what you mean?

I don't see it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlCXqUlsaaY#t=0m36s

I've never looked closely at it, but for some reason it has always stood out as a weird flip of the wrist to me. If you look at this throw alone it doesn't really look too strange, but if you compare it to other pros it looks a little strange to me. It is almost like he is trying to end up with his palm flat, but overemphasizes it.

Here are a few Unicorn chat videos, to keep the angles similar:
Paul Nicholson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYkuMx7lcGQ

John Lowe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEUxnJbQ8cU

Kevin Painter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJrdRdwXK88

Terry Jenkins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS3PoHakd4U

James Wade, doesn't seem too far of Paul Nicholson but hes lefty so its kinda hard to compare. Still seems like a little less twist of the wrist compared to Nicholson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5bsujD_Jzk

I'm not saying its a bad idea, because I have read and heard the tip of following through with your palm flat to the ground, but what is the reasoning behind it? Nobody really throws with their palm flat to the board, so why is it beneficial to twist at the elbow and end up with the palm flat to the floor? Its supposed to somehow help with a clean release?

I believe that it is to avoid injury.  

If your "morning stretch", is anything like mine, the wrist back of the hand is pulled up while the arms are extended.  That stretches the muscles on the bottom of the forearm.  If you keep your wrist up at full extension, you're literally throwing your arm into that stretched position and risking injury, like tendonitis for eg.  All stretches are supposed to be slow and controlled, which is the opposite of what happens when you throw.   

When you pull the hand down to the floor, those muscles become shortened, so the extension should be easier on the arm.
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(10-30-2015, 07:49 PM)BigE Wrote: I believe that it is to avoid injury.  

If your "morning stretch", is anything like mine, the wrist back of the hand is pulled up while the arms are extended.  That stretches the muscles on the bottom of the forearm.  If you keep your wrist up at full extension, you're literally throwing your arm into that stretched position and risking injury, like tendonitis for eg.  All stretches are supposed to be slow and controlled, which is the opposite of what happens when you throw.   

When you pull the hand down to the floor, those muscles become shortened, so the extension should be easier on the arm.

Makes sense, but Im not saying the flip of the wrist itself, I am talking about the twist. If you watch John Lowe, Terry Jenkins, and Kevin Painter throw in the videos I linked to, they all have a flip of the wrist, but they end up with the pinky a little closer to the ground than their index finger. The palm isn't completely flat like Paul Nicholson's is. I just don't really understand how any twisting motion can help with the throw.
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(10-30-2015, 07:54 PM)Dmott Wrote:
(10-30-2015, 07:49 PM)BigE Wrote: I believe that it is to avoid injury.  

If your "morning stretch", is anything like mine, the wrist back of the hand is pulled up while the arms are extended.  That stretches the muscles on the bottom of the forearm.  If you keep your wrist up at full extension, you're literally throwing your arm into that stretched position and risking injury, like tendonitis for eg.  All stretches are supposed to be slow and controlled, which is the opposite of what happens when you throw.   

When you pull the hand down to the floor, those muscles become shortened, so the extension should be easier on the arm.

Makes sense, but Im not saying the flip of the wrist itself, I am talking about the twist. If you watch John Lowe, Terry Jenkins, and Kevin Painter throw in the videos I linked to, they all have a flip of the wrist, but they end up with the pinky a little closer to the ground than their index finger. The palm isn't completely flat like Paul Nicholson's is. I just don't really understand how any twisting motion can help with the throw.

Oh, I get it now..... Yes, I too have been known to have that twist where the pinky goes down first.  It would not surprise me if that is a symptom of an overuse injury.
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