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What is better 2ba or no.5?
Apart from the selections u have between this threads?

I think NO.5 is better because the front of the barrel is more narrow but other point with a 2ba u can use both sides for front or rear Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.

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PD: Want to get Jelle Jlaasens monster in no.5 what is the best conversion points for no.5?

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I was not sure there was much of an advantage really, just the option of a slimmer nose?
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Read somewhere that No 5 was developed to allow for closer grouping, much like how steeltippers do theirs with extra long points. Guess things got really wonky and woozy if they tried (which I'm sure they have) extra long soft tip points! Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.

If your style if to place a finger over the front end of the barrel, on most designs, there would be quite a change in geometry in a No 5 as compared to a 2Ba/4Ba, possibly affecting your stroke/throw.

Also, on some designs that are offered in 2Ba and No 5, 5 might feature a lighter barrel. 5 also tends to be ever slightly more front weighted than a 2Ba but probably not as much as a 4Ba of a similar design, even though this may or may be significant to some.

That's pretty much what I can remember.
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The 2BA thread is a carry over from steel tip, it's the standard shaft thread. In a tip, it has an engineering disadvantage of no shoulder set into the barrel. For shafts this doesn't matter, but for the tip it creates a stress riser at the thread root when the dart cantilevers. As almost every throw has the dart oscillating in the board on landing, heavier and longer darts can break the tip at the thread root, leaving the thread inside the barrel.
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No.5 tips were designed to have a shoulder inset into the barrel with the threads starting deeper in the barrel. Also the thread size was reduced to allow a slimmer nose of the dart.
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I only have 2BA, so the following is what I have read. In practice, the No.5 is actually slightly more prone to breakage due to the smaller diameter of the thread.

The 2BA tip has been highly refined and there are lots of options around that can suit any need. Lippoint, Condor and Target Pixel are great from my experience.
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No.5 is much better if your wanting to use conversion points. I like the feel of the No.5 darts better anyway, much more like a steel tip barrel. I use the Monster No.5 conversion points, very good points
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I never ever,ever,ever,ever want to use conversion points period. I respect you Tormentor but use a soft-tip dart for soft tips and steel tip dart for steel tip is my advice. Reason: use what the dart is intended for. Don't use a house cat with a dog collar to hunt hogs. Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.
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I still think the No 5 system was nothing more than a cost cutting method so they could manufacture one barrel and create both a soft and steel tip from it (normally two separate barrels have to be made since the 2BA threads are so much larger).

Anyone want to confirm this? Someone should measure that smooth section on a No 5 point (the section in front of the threads) and then measure a standard steel tip point at the fattest section. I bet it's close to being the same diameter.
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I just have a set -so settle down. I agree -I don't like conversion points at all. He asked what was better and what kind of No.5 conversion points were good. I bought some N0.5 darts to see how they were and got some conversion points to go with them. They don't get much use, none of my soft tip darts do
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(06-11-2015, 04:17 PM)Regulatori Wrote: I still think the No 5 system was nothing more than a cost cutting method so they could manufacture one barrel and create both a soft and steel tip from it (normally two separate barrels have to be made since the 2BA threads are so much larger).

Anyone want to confirm this? Someone should measure that smooth section on a No 5 point (the section in front of the threads) and then measure a standard steel tip point at the fattest section. I bet it's close to being the same diameter.

It's close, I had a set of steel tip darts modified to accept a No.5 point and it had to be drilled a little bigger to tap the threads in it. Not much though
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Thank you guys for the answers, at W-Darts the monster no.5 conversion points are not avalible so what do you think about the DMC points?
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I think the No: 5 plastic Lip points suck,,,I have left more No: 5 tips in the board while retrieving my darts by twisting my darts lose from the board,,,,,

I love using conversion points on soft tip darts ,,,,using 2ba threads on both ends of the darts allows you the put the balance point exactly where you want it,,,,,,
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I give special preference to acute as I want my darts to be front loaded. But between choices, (2ba vs #5) I have to choose 2BAs as they are the most commonly around.
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I've been using a monster rapier 3 no.5 for 2 months now, previously using a harrows aura 2ba. My observations is that the no.5 tips break abit more than the 2ba, but that said it doesnt break THAT often. I've had 3 tips break on me in 2 months (i practice nearly everyday at home, plus a weekly league) and so far none of the tips have stuck into the board (they simply fly off). The breakage is always inside the thread, so I normally just use another tip to turn it out, no big deal.

The plus point however, is that the no.5 tips do not bend as much as the 2ba. With the 2ba, if i get a bounce out the tips will bend like crazy and no matter how much i try to bend them back its never straight and they bend again after a few throws. With the no.5s, they do not bend as much and if they do, you can straighten them out pretty easily. That makes life so much easier for me as my middle finger normally supports the tip as I throw. Having a relatively straight tip for me is so important i'll chance the one off that it breaks.

Both 2ba and no.5 tips I use are lippoint. With the same amount of play (judging from 2 months), I think ive used about 6 no.5 tips, and for 2ba about more than 30. the 2bas just bend too easily, and bent tips are no fun!
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(06-11-2015, 07:09 PM)metar Wrote: I've been using a monster rapier 3 no.5 for 2 months now, previously using a harrows aura 2ba. My observations is that the no.5 tips break abit more than the 2ba, but that said it doesnt break THAT often. I've had 3 tips break on me in 2 months (i practice nearly everyday at home, plus a weekly league) and so far none of the tips have stuck into the board (they simply fly off). The breakage is always inside the thread, so I normally just use another tip to turn it out, no big deal.

The plus point however, is that the no.5 tips do not bend as much as the 2ba. With the 2ba, if i get a bounce out the tips will bend like crazy and no matter how much i try to bend them back its never straight and they bend again after a few throws. With the no.5s, they do not bend as much and if they do, you can straighten them out pretty easily. That makes life so much easier for me as my middle finger normally supports the tip as I throw. Having a relatively straight tip for me is so important i'll chance the one off that it breaks.

Both 2ba and no.5 tips I use are lippoint. With the same amount of play (judging from 2 months), I think ive used about 6 no.5 tips, and for 2ba about more than 30. the 2bas just bend too easily, and bent tips are no fun!

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