The treble 20 guild badge. This badge was introduced in 1938 as the N.O.T.W newspaper was handing out one set of solid silver darts a week, for an outstanding performance witnessed and recorded in league games etc, as a direct response to the amount of inquiries submitting recorded scores of 180 the newspaper recognized though a skillful feat it was not enough to warrant the weekly set of silver darts.
I have both the coloured and the blue enamel badges, and though both are quite scarce to find these days the plain blue enamel one is much rarer.
(sorry about the shaky image, i'm no photographer.)
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Next is an Officials badge, looks to have some sort of ribbon missing, but as this is the only one I've seen I have nothing else to compare it with.
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Here is a set of 1938/39 house champion darts and matching certificate, these are that rare that Patrick Chaplain had never seen them before and very kindly got them authenticated by the Archivist at News International. I have since seen an identical set on the internet see link https://www.salfordonline.com/salfordvid...lford.html Though the certificate is not in as good as a condition as mine, and there are some inaccuracies with the story on the internet , which as with many stories the facts get distorted over the years, they are not solid silver but are extremely rare. Though the said thrower Herbert Wild must have been the House champion at the Wilton Arms , The records show the 1938-39 Lancashire and Cheshire champion to be Peter Birchall (St Peter’s Liberal Club, Oldham) who beat Jack Kirk (Sandon Arms, Heswall) 2-1. This was the only pre war year that Lancashire and Cheshire had a Finals, though the year previously 1937-38 just the county of Lancashire had a finals won by Sam McIntosh (Duke of York, Salford) who beat Luke Ratcliffe (Commercial Hotel, Oldham) 2-0. During this era the oche was a nine foot throw, (later reduced to an eight foot throw) and in the house championship the format was best of 3 legs of 301 increasing to 501 only on winning the house championship and progressing to the Competition proper.
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And the certificate
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This is a set of solid silver darts Hallmarked !938 and supplied by the jewelers Bravingtons of Kings Cross London. I also own an identical set hallmarked 1939 but minus the original case.
This set has the initials F.E.B engraved on it. It has been suggested that the initials may be F.E.Betts of the Waterman's Arms, Norwich, who got beat 2-1 by Fred Wallis in the 1937-38 London & Home Counties final, but I have a programme from that year and that final that show the runner up prize to have been a cup a gold medal and a certificate. Though obviously a thrower to be reckoned with during this period, so I dare say he could possibly have been awarded a silver set for an officially witnessed outstanding performance by the newspaper.
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Subject: Re: News of the World Silver Darts, ( a bit of spit and Polish) Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:05 am
Damn. What a change
Great work on those They look lovely
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Subject: Re: News of the World Silver Darts, ( a bit of spit and Polish) Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:16 pm
I saw them but too rich for me. They most likely are runners up darts as the FEB is probably F.E.Betts of the Waterman's Arms, Norwich, who got beat 2-1 by Fred Wallis in the 1937-38 London & Home Counties final
You've done a grand job there in restoring them to their original condition as well - have a +1 for a job well done
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Subject: Re: News of the World Silver Darts, ( a bit of spit and Polish) Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:30 pm
Nice one Neil!
I knew when I seen them they were worth a lot more and was very tempted to put in a bid of £150 but luckily for you I have bought too much of late and my cards are started to bleed, lol
Its always the case though that people list such things when you need to be careful.
Silly man for not displaying them better though, I am sure they would have sold more if they had.
If you ever feel like selling in the future give me a shout.
Well done on the clean up too!
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Subject: Re: News of the World Silver Darts, ( a bit of spit and Polish) Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:34 pm
Good work There mc1958, To be honest I didn't check the old winners and runners up result as at this point they were awarding a set a week out outstanding darts thrown and witnessed, recorded in league's etc, so assumed it would be to long a shot, but you may well be onto something. I repay the +1 with thanks
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Subject: Re: News of the World Silver Darts, ( a bit of spit and Polish) Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:53 pm
Thank's for not putting a bid in for them Darren, my top bid was £135 so you would have got em, these are actually off my wife for my birthday (thanks Sharon). and If i'm ever selling will give you a shout. There is actually something on now that I really want but got to restrain myself, I know they are gonna sell for a good sum.
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Subject: Re: News of the World Silver Darts, ( a bit of spit and Polish) Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:25 pm
Well done Shafted, lovely darts, and nicely cleaned up.
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Subject: Re: News of the World Silver Darts, ( a bit of spit and Polish) Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:47 am
Somebody had a good day at auction. Sold at £70
https://www.tennants.co.uk/catalogue/Lots/139024.aspx
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Subject: Re: News of the World Silver Darts, ( a bit of spit and Polish) Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:02 am
Looks like it, did you win them?
If not I bet they will be on ebay soon. Pity they dont have the original case though.
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Subject: Re: News of the World Silver Darts, ( a bit of spit and Polish) Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:23 pm
No not me Darren, If someone has bought them to sell on, they should do well, Iv'e seen just the badge alone sell for £15 before now, The majority of the darts are just run of the mill, but get a decent set of canes in the silver one's and they will look smart, like you said though its a shame the case is absent.
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Subject: Re: News of the World Silver Darts, ( a bit of spit and Polish) Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:37 pm
That is a damned good price for that little collection.
A badge recently sold for just over £25 recently. I put in a bid just under that expecting the final price to be cheaper, but some other bugger went higher than me lol.
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Subject: Re: News of the World Silver Darts, ( a bit of spit and Polish) Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:59 am
I reckon the seller had no idea what they were other than an old set of darts.
Past dealings with eBay would have me think that the seller of these "assumed" they were second place darts and advertised as such because of the "Prize Silver Darts" written under New Of The World in the case. It has the words "PRIZE" and everyone knows that GOLD is first, SILVER is second. Prize Silver Darts = second place.
Well done! And BEAUTIFUL darts!!
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Subject: Re: News of the World Silver Darts, ( a bit of spit and Polish) Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:31 am
Thankyou eplea
Here we have a very rare 1938 Midland Counties area finalist solid silver medal.
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And three solid silver area finalist medals, all from various years of the 1950s, the one not protected by a case has become quite tarnished and needs a clean really.
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Thanks for looking
I have both the coloured and the blue enamel badges, and though both are quite scarce to find these days the plain blue enamel one is much rarer.
(sorry about the shaky image, i'm no photographer.)
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Next is an Officials badge, looks to have some sort of ribbon missing, but as this is the only one I've seen I have nothing else to compare it with.
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Here is a set of 1938/39 house champion darts and matching certificate, these are that rare that Patrick Chaplain had never seen them before and very kindly got them authenticated by the Archivist at News International. I have since seen an identical set on the internet see link https://www.salfordonline.com/salfordvid...lford.html Though the certificate is not in as good as a condition as mine, and there are some inaccuracies with the story on the internet , which as with many stories the facts get distorted over the years, they are not solid silver but are extremely rare. Though the said thrower Herbert Wild must have been the House champion at the Wilton Arms , The records show the 1938-39 Lancashire and Cheshire champion to be Peter Birchall (St Peter’s Liberal Club, Oldham) who beat Jack Kirk (Sandon Arms, Heswall) 2-1. This was the only pre war year that Lancashire and Cheshire had a Finals, though the year previously 1937-38 just the county of Lancashire had a finals won by Sam McIntosh (Duke of York, Salford) who beat Luke Ratcliffe (Commercial Hotel, Oldham) 2-0. During this era the oche was a nine foot throw, (later reduced to an eight foot throw) and in the house championship the format was best of 3 legs of 301 increasing to 501 only on winning the house championship and progressing to the Competition proper.
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And the certificate
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This is a set of solid silver darts Hallmarked !938 and supplied by the jewelers Bravingtons of Kings Cross London. I also own an identical set hallmarked 1939 but minus the original case.
This set has the initials F.E.B engraved on it. It has been suggested that the initials may be F.E.Betts of the Waterman's Arms, Norwich, who got beat 2-1 by Fred Wallis in the 1937-38 London & Home Counties final, but I have a programme from that year and that final that show the runner up prize to have been a cup a gold medal and a certificate. Though obviously a thrower to be reckoned with during this period, so I dare say he could possibly have been awarded a silver set for an officially witnessed outstanding performance by the newspaper.
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Veni
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Subject: Re: News of the World Silver Darts, ( a bit of spit and Polish) Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:05 am
Damn. What a change
Great work on those They look lovely
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Subject: Re: News of the World Silver Darts, ( a bit of spit and Polish) Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:16 pm
I saw them but too rich for me. They most likely are runners up darts as the FEB is probably F.E.Betts of the Waterman's Arms, Norwich, who got beat 2-1 by Fred Wallis in the 1937-38 London & Home Counties final
You've done a grand job there in restoring them to their original condition as well - have a +1 for a job well done
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Subject: Re: News of the World Silver Darts, ( a bit of spit and Polish) Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:30 pm
Nice one Neil!
I knew when I seen them they were worth a lot more and was very tempted to put in a bid of £150 but luckily for you I have bought too much of late and my cards are started to bleed, lol
Its always the case though that people list such things when you need to be careful.
Silly man for not displaying them better though, I am sure they would have sold more if they had.
If you ever feel like selling in the future give me a shout.
Well done on the clean up too!
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Subject: Re: News of the World Silver Darts, ( a bit of spit and Polish) Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:34 pm
Good work There mc1958, To be honest I didn't check the old winners and runners up result as at this point they were awarding a set a week out outstanding darts thrown and witnessed, recorded in league's etc, so assumed it would be to long a shot, but you may well be onto something. I repay the +1 with thanks
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Subject: Re: News of the World Silver Darts, ( a bit of spit and Polish) Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:53 pm
Thank's for not putting a bid in for them Darren, my top bid was £135 so you would have got em, these are actually off my wife for my birthday (thanks Sharon). and If i'm ever selling will give you a shout. There is actually something on now that I really want but got to restrain myself, I know they are gonna sell for a good sum.
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Subject: Re: News of the World Silver Darts, ( a bit of spit and Polish) Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:25 pm
Well done Shafted, lovely darts, and nicely cleaned up.
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Subject: Re: News of the World Silver Darts, ( a bit of spit and Polish) Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:47 am
Somebody had a good day at auction. Sold at £70
https://www.tennants.co.uk/catalogue/Lots/139024.aspx
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Subject: Re: News of the World Silver Darts, ( a bit of spit and Polish) Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:02 am
Looks like it, did you win them?
If not I bet they will be on ebay soon. Pity they dont have the original case though.
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Subject: Re: News of the World Silver Darts, ( a bit of spit and Polish) Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:23 pm
No not me Darren, If someone has bought them to sell on, they should do well, Iv'e seen just the badge alone sell for £15 before now, The majority of the darts are just run of the mill, but get a decent set of canes in the silver one's and they will look smart, like you said though its a shame the case is absent.
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Subject: Re: News of the World Silver Darts, ( a bit of spit and Polish) Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:37 pm
That is a damned good price for that little collection.
A badge recently sold for just over £25 recently. I put in a bid just under that expecting the final price to be cheaper, but some other bugger went higher than me lol.
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Subject: Re: News of the World Silver Darts, ( a bit of spit and Polish) Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:59 am
I reckon the seller had no idea what they were other than an old set of darts.
Past dealings with eBay would have me think that the seller of these "assumed" they were second place darts and advertised as such because of the "Prize Silver Darts" written under New Of The World in the case. It has the words "PRIZE" and everyone knows that GOLD is first, SILVER is second. Prize Silver Darts = second place.
Well done! And BEAUTIFUL darts!!
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Subject: Re: News of the World Silver Darts, ( a bit of spit and Polish) Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:31 am
Thankyou eplea
Here we have a very rare 1938 Midland Counties area finalist solid silver medal.
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And three solid silver area finalist medals, all from various years of the 1950s, the one not protected by a case has become quite tarnished and needs a clean really.
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Thanks for looking
