2019 European Darts grand Prix
(05-10-2019, 09:20 PM)mc1958 Wrote:
(05-10-2019, 09:14 PM)Noj Wrote: I missed the VdV match, what did he say about Barry Hearn?

Noj

He was saying that Hearn and the PDC were good at organising tournaments but the qualification was a joke - he says that they should all play in the same qualifiers and not split between UK and Euro card holders (UK holders get a greater percentage of spots compared to Euro holders)

Thanks for explanation, much appreciated 

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Great series of finishes from Ryan Searle there to take out Durrant. Glenn can’t count himself unlucky to have lost though but sometimes it just isn’t your day

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(05-10-2019, 10:16 PM)Noj Wrote:
(05-10-2019, 09:20 PM)mc1958 Wrote:
(05-10-2019, 09:14 PM)Noj Wrote: I missed the VdV match, what did he say about Barry Hearn?

Noj

He was saying that Hearn and the PDC were good at organising tournaments but the qualification was a joke - he says that they should all play in the same qualifiers and not split between UK and Euro card holders (UK holders get a greater percentage of spots compared to Euro holders)

He is speaking as a player whereas I suppose the PDC are trying to grow the sport in Europe so the home nation qualifiers who on talent don’t deserve to be there at the expense of much better players are essential to the growth plan.
As far as the Euro qualifiers and UK qualifiers it is the same argument, it is universally accepted that the Euro Q school is much easier to get through than the UK equivalent. 
It is a tough call as to who is right as in truth both sides of the argument are correct, but for reasons that suit different agendas.

Noj

He isn't talking about the HNQ's or Q Schools, he is purely talking about the tour card holders qualifiers for the ET events.

For example in this particular event, in the UK card holders/CT qualifier there were 18 spots available and 85 entrants, so 21% of the entrants got through.  However for the Euro card holders qualifier there were only 6 places available for the 40 entrants, so only 15% got through.  VVDV is saying he thinks all the card holders should play in the same qualifier so they all have an equal chance of getting through.

Personally I think he's right and they should all be lumped into one qualifier, but if they keep the UK and Euro card holders separate then change it to a proportional split based on the number of entrants for each qualifier.  If it was proportional in this particular case there would be 16 UK and 8 Euro qualifiers as opposed to the 18 and 6 that have got through.
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Scores from yesterdays first round

Afternoon Session
Ross Smith 6-3 Pero Ljubic
James Richardson 6-3 Matthew Edgar
Krzysztof Ratajski 6-4 Robert Owen
Niels Zonneveld 6-4 Michael Hurtz
Nathan Aspinall 6-1 Kim Viljanen
Mark McGeeney 6-3 Josh Payne
Brendan Dolan 6-2 Michael Rosenauer
Dimitri Van den Bergh 6-1 Michael Rasztovits

Evening Session
Vincent van der Voort 6-4 Dave Prins
Chris Dobey 6-0 Madars Razma
Gavin Carlin 6-3 Dragutin Horvat
Jeffrey de Zwaan 6-2 Stefan Bellmont
Keegan Brown 6-3 Daniel Klose
Steve Beaton 6-4 Stephen Bunting
Jamie Hughes 6-1 Ricardo Pietreczko
Ryan Searle 6-4 Glen Durrant


Order of play for todays second round

Saturday May 11
Second Round
Afternoon Session (1300 local time, 1200 BST)
Michael Smith v Krzysztof Ratajski
Joe Cullen v Mark McGeeney
Jonny Clayton v Ross Smith
Mervyn King v James Richardson
Ricky Evans v Keegan Brown
Ian White v Dimitri Van den Bergh
Gerwyn Price v Gavin Carlin

Evening Session (1915 local time, 1815 BST)
Rob Cross v Jeffrey de Zwaan
Darren Webster v Vincent van der Voort
Daryl Gurney v Chris Dobey
Mensur Suljovic v Steve Beaton
Adrian Lewis v Jamie Hughes
Max Hopp v Nathan Aspinall
Michael van Gerwen v Brendan Dolan
Peter Wright v Niels Zonneveld

Wade's withdrawal gives Ryan Searle a bye in the second round.
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(05-11-2019, 07:55 AM)mc1958 Wrote:
(05-10-2019, 10:16 PM)Noj Wrote:
(05-10-2019, 09:20 PM)mc1958 Wrote:
(05-10-2019, 09:14 PM)Noj Wrote: I missed the VdV match, what did he say about Barry Hearn?

Noj

He was saying that Hearn and the PDC were good at organising tournaments but the qualification was a joke - he says that they should all play in the same qualifiers and not split between UK and Euro card holders (UK holders get a greater percentage of spots compared to Euro holders)

He is speaking as a player whereas I suppose the PDC are trying to grow the sport in Europe so the home nation qualifiers who on talent don’t deserve to be there at the expense of much better players are essential to the growth plan.
As far as the Euro qualifiers and UK qualifiers it is the same argument, it is universally accepted that the Euro Q school is much easier to get through than the UK equivalent. 
It is a tough call as to who is right as in truth both sides of the argument are correct, but for reasons that suit different agendas.

Noj

He isn't talking about the HNQ's or Q Schools, he is purely talking about the tour card holders qualifiers for the ET events.

For example in this particular event, in the UK card holders/CT qualifier there were 18 spots available and 85 entrants, so 21% of the entrants got through.  However for the Euro card holders qualifier there were only 6 places available for the 40 entrants, so only 15% got through.  VVDV is saying he thinks all the card holders should play in the same qualifier so they all have an equal chance of getting through.

Personally I think he's right and they should all be lumped into one qualifier, but if they keep the UK and Euro card holders separate  then change it to a proportional split based on the number of entrants for each qualifier.  If it was proportional in this particular case there would be 16 UK and 8 Euro qualifiers as opposed to the 18 and 6 that have got through.

Thanks for clarifying. Yes he is right. All card holders should have an equal chance to qualify, that should be obvious and I didn’t realise that it was unfairly stacked in this way. It should be one competition though as that way it is totally on merit. If you do it on 2 tournaments with equal or fairly divided places the tour with the greater strength in depth is penalised unfairly

Noj
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Two good games to start off the day Smith 6-4 over Ratajski and McGeeney 6-5 over Cullen
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(05-11-2019, 01:01 PM)mc1958 Wrote: Two good games to start off the day Smith 6-4 over Ratajski and McGeeney 6-5 over Cullen

Missed the first, but McGeeney came up with a nice win.

Smith/Clayton has potential to be a good match.
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De Zwaan looking like he didn't want to beat Cross there - 10 match darts or thereabouts missed before hitting the madhouse to take it - Cross should have split the 14 when he had the chance
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Scores from this afternoons second round games while I'm here lol

Michael Smith 6-4 Krzysztof Ratajski
Mark McGeeney 6-5 Joe Cullen
Jonny Clayton 6-4 Ross Smith
James Richardson 6-3 Mervyn King
Keegan Brown 6-2 Ricky Evans
Ian White 6-5 Dimitri Van den Bergh
Gerwyn Price 6-1 Gavin Carlin
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2nd game of the night goes to Webster 6-5 over VVDV
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