Darts have a bad angle
Hey Darts Nutz!

I am constantly trying to improve my game and this time I really need your help!
My darts have a slight angle sticking in the board and i can not figure out why...
I dont think it is because of my stance, since the angle remains the same if i move right or left.

Possible explanations:
-I am right handed --> somehow twist the dart differently
-Grip is too tight or wrong. I would like to hear some comments about my grip and how to improve it.
-Sometimes my darts wiggle while flying in the air --> WHY? and how to stop it?

       


Cheers,
Joshi
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Can't tell from the pic but is that a standard flight or a tapered Marathon shape?  The reason I ask is I was once a severe rear gripper as you appear to be.  I also had a wobble in my throw that caused my darts to land with a slight lateral angle.  I eventually moved my grip forward just a bit and that corrected the problem.  I don't know the exact science behind it but I think it worked because it placed my grip more on the center of gravity and the dart left my fingers with a more stable trajectory. Then, oddly enough, my grip moved further forward to just behind center with my middle finger resting on the point.  I found myself more accurate this way but the wobble and lateral angle returned.  At that point, I moved from a tapered Marathon shape flight to a classic standard shape and presto-chango,  the darts flew smooth and straight, once again.  My theory is, the slightly larger flight creates enough drag that the dart is resistant to wobble.  A longer stem might also do the trick.  It looks like you are already using a medium, so that may not be an option.  Anyway, sorry to be so long winded but that's a few things you could try.  Keep us updated and let us know what worked out.  Best of luck!
- Red

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Unicorn James Wade Phase 1 (20g)---Short Nylon/Poly Shafts---Marathon/No.6 Shape Flights  

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(06-24-2017, 09:06 PM)Red Wrote: Can't tell from the pic but is that a standard flight or a tapered Marathon shape?  The reason I ask is I was once a severe rear gripper as you appear to be.  I also had a wobble in my throw that caused my darts to land with a slight lateral angle.  I eventually moved my grip forward just a bit and that corrected the problem.  I don't know the exact science behind it but I think it worked because it placed my grip more on the center of gravity and the dart left my fingers with a more stable trajectory. Then, oddly enough, my grip moved further forward to just behind center with my middle finger resting on the point.  I found myself more accurate this way but the wobble and lateral angle returned.  At that point, I moved from a tapered Marathon shape flight to a classic standard shape and presto-chango,  the darts flew smooth and straight, once again.  My theory is, the slightly larger flight creates enough drag that the dart is resistant to wobble.  A longer stem might also do the trick.  It looks like you are already using a medium, so that may not be an option.  Anyway, sorry to be so long winded but that's a few things you could try.  Keep us updated and let us know what worked out.  Best of luck!

First of all thank you for your reply! As you guessed I am using medium stems and standard shaped flights. I will try to move my grip forward, maybe swapping the flights and reply as soon as something worked.
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(06-24-2017, 03:34 PM)joshi Wrote: Hey Darts Nutz!

I am constantly trying to improve my game and this time I really need your help!
My darts have a slight angle sticking in the board and i can not figure out why...
I dont think it is because of my stance, since the angle remains the same if i move right or left.

Possible explanations:
-I am right handed --> somehow twist the dart differently
-Grip is too tight or wrong. I would like to hear some comments about my grip and how to improve it.
-Sometimes my darts wiggle while flying in the air --> WHY? and how to stop it?




Cheers,
Joshi

More fingers on the barrel equals more things to go wrong.

Try the classic pencil grip, with the last two hanging off. Support the point underneath or above with your middle finger. so that means only two fingers to grip. Grip with just enough pressure to stop the dart sliding back or forth. Once you've found out what pressure, keep your fingers still and you stroke. Remember wrist snap and follow through straight to the target.

Try an intermediate/tweenie or short stem to move the set-up COG slightly forward. Find the COG of your new set-up, and move your grip 5-10% behind it. Start there with the new grip point.

Adjust and fine tune grip positioning, pressure, snap and always follow through straight.

In what fashion are your darts twisting? Fishtailing, porpoising or going into a vortex?

Anyway, try the above first and fine-tune. It may solve your problems ... or not.  Big Grin

BTW, darts can land from a -5 to +45 degree angle to the board and that's acceptable, so a lot of it is personal preference and your dart positioning strategy.

All the best me8!  Wink
I don't think there is anything 'natural' about throwing darts. A person does not naturally stand sideways, with weight more on one leg, lean forward and swing to launch a projectile repeatedly, day in, day out as part of daily routine. One does not even throw a rock or ball that way.    ~ With darts, everything has to be learnt, and refined.  Wink

What is NATURAL? http://www.dartsnutz.net/forum/showthread.php?tid=22147

A beginner - always experimenting and trying to learn! So I can fool around with loads of set-ups and techniques! Lol! Big Grin
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(06-25-2017, 12:22 PM)Ancient Darter Wrote: More fingers on the barrel equals more things to go wrong.

Try the classic pencil grip, with the last two hanging off. Support the point underneath or above with your middle finger. so that means only two fingers to grip. Grip with just enough pressure to stop the dart sliding back or forth. Once you've found out what pressure, keep your fingers still and you stroke. Remember wrist snap and follow through straight to the target.

Try an intermediate/tweenie or short stem to move the set-up COG slightly forward. Find the COG of your new set-up, and move your grip 5-10% behind it. Start there with the new grip point.

Adjust and fine tune grip positioning, pressure, snap and always follow through straight.

In what fashion are your darts twisting? Fishtailing, porpoising or going into a vortex?

Anyway, try the above first and fine-tune. It may solve your problems ... or not.  Big Grin

BTW, darts can land from a -5 to +45 degree angle to the board and that's acceptable, so a lot of it is personal preference and your dart positioning strategy.

All the best me8!  Wink
Can you explain what you mean by COG, Fishtailing, porpoising or going into a vortex ?

Anyways after league night yesterday i had a  talk with a more experienced player than me. He was wondering because i was throwing bullshit. I said, that i am trying a new grip style with one finger less. He said, that i should not focus on that part because more fingers mean to have more control over the darts.

--> More fingers more control, BUT more things to go wrong

This morning i decided to keep my orignial grip style and focus on my follow through. The player from yesterday said that maybe my arm is not 100% perpendicular to the board. So I paid alot attention today to my throw and had nice results.

--> Follow through does not only mean to fully extend your arm, it is important to throw straight to the board

Things i learned in the last days:
- if i grip at the front of my dart, darts will more likely go tail down in the board and vice versa
- throwing straight to the board AND standing in the middle of the oche improves my game alot in terms of consistency
- my grip is okay and i should not think that much about it, because in general it feels natural for me

I will keep track of my technique the next days and hope that i get even more better Smile
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Fishtailing - Side to side movement

Porpoising - Up and down movement

Going into a vortex - Spiraling like how a plane looses control, and spirals towards earth.

COG - Center of Gravity



How many fingers is something you have to figure out through experience. Yes, more fingers, more control, if everything is set-up properly, and your grip technique does not impart much torque to the dart. There is also such a thing as overkill though, so I'd suggest using the amount of fingers that you need for stability, then don't add anymore. I don't know how to explain the intricate movement dynamics of the hand during a stroke, without detailed diagrams, or better yet, 3D flow movement videos. It's complicated and also tied into barrel design. Also, you can't expect to master a grip change in a matter of days.

If you feel that you trust the advise of the player you mentioned, I'd suggest sticking to his advise/instructions, and no one else's. Asking around may/will get you conflicting opinions and confuse you, and it will mess up your technique.

All the best mate.
I don't think there is anything 'natural' about throwing darts. A person does not naturally stand sideways, with weight more on one leg, lean forward and swing to launch a projectile repeatedly, day in, day out as part of daily routine. One does not even throw a rock or ball that way.    ~ With darts, everything has to be learnt, and refined.  Wink

What is NATURAL? http://www.dartsnutz.net/forum/showthread.php?tid=22147

A beginner - always experimenting and trying to learn! So I can fool around with loads of set-ups and techniques! Lol! Big Grin
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Where do you stand ?Because Bunting stands very on one side of oche and his angle is crazier then yours ten times
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Mine land like that too. I tried all sorts and never found out why, although holding the dart as light as possible with my thumb under the barrel seemed the best.
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Do they fly straight?

It doesn't really matter what angle they stick in the board, as long as they mostly go where you want them to.

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