Ask The Darts Nutz: Part Two
After having an enjoyable response with the first installment of 'Ask the Darts Nutz' feature on my blog I thought I'd give it annother go!

This time the topic is 'The essence of getting it right' and we'll be looking at two different viewpoints, and then all of you Darts Nutz can weigh in with your opinions and which version is correct or closest to the truth.

Viewpoint One:

While there are common elements that are shared between all effective strokes (your throw) it is still better to develop your natural stroke rather than trying to learn the mechanics piece by piece. Throwing a dart should be like walking,something you just do and get better at with time and practice, not like putting together a piece of machinery!

viewpoint Two:

Quite plain and simply there is a right way to throw a dart and unless you focus on correcting your mechanics any practice you do will simply reinforce bad habits. A 'natural' stroke might be nice for beginers, but if you want to play with any kind of proficiency it's all about tweaking your stoke, just like a golf swing!

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Ok, so which of these captures the essence of getting it right in darts? Neither maybe? Lets hear it Darts Nutz!

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I think its a tough question to answer correctly and definitively as there is so many variables involved.

But, I would say that on the whole it is probably best to go with your natural throw.

I think when I started to play more seriously a few years ago I got better because I was using my natural throw and working out the little kinks and idiosyncrasies that were unique to me.

I held the darts very close to the point, I aimed from just in front of my left (dominant) eye by aiming the point at the target, my throw was more of a stab or flick. There was a lot about my throw that a "darts coach" probably would have said was wrong.

But I started to get good with it, was hitting 100's, 140's and 180's regularly.

The only problem I had was I believe my technique was causing me wrist pain, so I then started to read on the net and books about technique etc as I felt it was not right I should have pain and thought I must be doing it wrong.

Any way, I had to have a break for a while but came back and tried a different grip and throw and was hopeless, but then I break my shoulder and 18 months later I started again and since then I have lost my natural throw and tried as hard as I could to throw the way many describe as a good technique, it just does not happen for me now.

A couple of weeks ago I thought I had found my old throw again and was playing well, but my wrist pain has come back, so I'm back to square one.

So in my own case I would say that my natural throw even though it looked all wrong, was the only technique I could use to play the game at a decent level.

I dont know if I practised an alternative "correct" style for hours on end whether it would become ingrained or not, I have tried and it messes up my mind too much.
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(07-13-2013, 09:44 AM)Getagrip Wrote: I think its a tough question to answer correctly and definitively as there is so many variables involved.

But, I would say that on the whole it is probably best to go with your natural throw.

I think when I started to play more seriously a few years ago I got better because I was using my natural throw and working out the little kinks and idiosyncrasies that were unique to me.

I held the darts very close to the point, I aimed from just in front of my left (dominant) eye by aiming the point at the target, my throw was more of a stab or flick. There was a lot about my throw that a "darts coach" probably would have said was wrong.

But I started to get good with it, was hitting 100's, 140's and 180's regularly.

The only problem I had was I believe my technique was causing me wrist pain, so I then started to read on the net and books about technique etc as I felt it was not right I should have pain and thought I must be doing it wrong.

Any way, I had to have a break for a while but came back and tried a different grip and throw and was hopeless, but then I break my shoulder and 18 months later I started again and since then I have lost my natural throw and tried as hard as I could to throw the way many describe as a good technique, it just does not happen for me now.

A couple of weeks ago I thought I had found my old throw again and was playing well, but my wrist pain has come back, so I'm back to square one.

So in my own case I would say that my natural throw even though it looked all wrong, was the only technique I could use to play the game at a decent level.

I dont know if I practised an alternative "correct" style for hours on end whether it would become ingrained or not, I have tried and it messes up my mind too much.

Well I'm pretty sure you started up with Flight School, what happened with that? Just seeing how darts crazy you are I'm wondering if there was a gap between expectations and the dart board ...and well even the desire to get the results you did earlier...
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First time i picked up a dart and threw it was as ive seen so many younger kids do.. was to grab it with almost all my fingers and drag it all the way past my head.. (as if you were throwing a tennis ball)

When I started praticing 2 years ago I bought Mr. Taylors darts as my first own darts.. lol.. stood like ive seen he do.. held the dart as I thought he did..

turned out that I didnt do what he did.. not in scores or in grip/stance.. now im on that golf course.. and we'll see what happens..

Because I can honestly say that I don't know what my "natural" throw is...

ive changed my grip to what felt most natural.. didnt help that much.. let the swing take place..
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I think the term "your natural stroke/throw" can be taken to literally, There are things you can tweak in your throw and still feel comfortable, e.g. not extending your arm too far when setting your throw gives you a shorter backswing and less room for error, but still feels quite natural. and of course a conscious effort to follow through becomes ingrained into our natural stroke with practice. So for best results I think there is a happy medium between the two theories by fine tuning what feels right for oneself.
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(07-13-2013, 10:38 PM)davidsproull Wrote:
(07-13-2013, 09:44 AM)Getagrip Wrote: I think its a tough question to answer correctly and definitively as there is so many variables involved.

But, I would say that on the whole it is probably best to go with your natural throw.

I think when I started to play more seriously a few years ago I got better because I was using my natural throw and working out the little kinks and idiosyncrasies that were unique to me.

I held the darts very close to the point, I aimed from just in front of my left (dominant) eye by aiming the point at the target, my throw was more of a stab or flick. There was a lot about my throw that a "darts coach" probably would have said was wrong.

But I started to get good with it, was hitting 100's, 140's and 180's regularly.

The only problem I had was I believe my technique was causing me wrist pain, so I then started to read on the net and books about technique etc as I felt it was not right I should have pain and thought I must be doing it wrong.

Any way, I had to have a break for a while but came back and tried a different grip and throw and was hopeless, but then I break my shoulder and 18 months later I started again and since then I have lost my natural throw and tried as hard as I could to throw the way many describe as a good technique, it just does not happen for me now.

A couple of weeks ago I thought I had found my old throw again and was playing well, but my wrist pain has come back, so I'm back to square one.

So in my own case I would say that my natural throw even though it looked all wrong, was the only technique I could use to play the game at a decent level.

I dont know if I practised an alternative "correct" style for hours on end whether it would become ingrained or not, I have tried and it messes up my mind too much.

Well I'm pretty sure you started up with Flight School, what happened with that? Just seeing how darts crazy you are I'm wondering if there was a gap between expectations and the dart board ...and well even the desire to get the results you did earlier...

yes I started I think the beginning of 2012, trouble is I just cant practice long due to my iffy shoulder, but was making some progress then it tailed off. For the last half of 2012 I never played much darts really, think I got to accepting I was not going to get any better.

I'm hoping to restart the flight school routines again soon, but I am going to try some exercises for my wrist which someone has recommended to me, and see if strengthening my wrist helps. If things go well with that I may try to find my old throw again.

I think my shoulder has improved a lot, maybe its just took a long time to settle down, as it is not aching as often as it used to, so thats something I am hopeful about, but I wont push it just in case.
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Well sometimes IMO its best to just wash the slate clean. Pick up the dart off a table or what ever- look at it - thats your natural grip - go to the line and get comfy -that is your stance - throw the dart in a manner you feel comfortable - thats your natural throw.
Seems simple but hard to do. Our brain always saying do this do that. When players drink a bit too much they sometimes find they are throwing great darts - they not thinking but doing. Thats my take. Big Grin
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to add to this question and debate then, I would like to know if you can learn a new technique thats totally different to what is natural and make it instinctive?

To me there is at least 2 players who's technique is near a so called textbook style but looks learned to me, thats Andy Hamilton and Phil Taylor, so maybe I have answered my own question?
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I am finding that with playing again I am trying new things. New grips, dart shapes, stance and I want to try throwing different this week (at least in practice). I am just looking for something comfortable and still can get the darts to where I want them.

Just like any other sport everyone does things different. When I played little league (baseball) as a kid I had a really low stance when batting, my dad hated it because it was not like everyone elses (the pros at the time). He was in the thought that they are pro's so what they do is right. In the case of little league I batted .750 (highest average in the league) where the average was under .500. Was what I did the norm? Was it like the pros? Was it mechanically right? No,no yes for me it was right.

I think there is some basics to the mechanics that is in most people's throw. But that is it, each person needs to find their throw and just fix any tix or qips. I noticed while changing grips that when I hold the dart a certain way I actually hold it at a slight angle left to right instead of straight. So I had to change the grip again so I could hold the dart straighter (still working on it).
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(07-14-2013, 03:02 PM)uncle poop Wrote: I am finding that with playing again I am trying new things. New grips, dart shapes, stance and I want to try throwing different this week (at least in practice). I am just looking for something comfortable and still can get the darts to where I want them.

Just like any other sport everyone does things different. When I played little league (baseball) as a kid I had a really low stance when batting, my dad hated it because it was not like everyone elses (the pros at the time). He was in the thought that they are pro's so what they do is right. In the case of little league I batted .750 (highest average in the league) where the average was under .500. Was what I did the norm? Was it like the pros? Was it mechanically right? No,no yes for me it was right.

I think there is some basics to the mechanics that is in most people's throw. But that is it, each person needs to find their throw and just fix any tix or qips. I noticed while changing grips that when I hold the dart a certain way I actually hold it at a slight angle left to right instead of straight. So I had to change the grip again so I could hold the dart straighter (still working on it).

Well doesnt the flight kind of help with stabilizing everything?
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