Angle of impact
Hi guys,

So today I received my new darts, 22gm Chizzy gold and immediately started throwing them. After around 460 throws I have definitely found that these darts have the sort of grip I like. It feels very smooth, not very grippy and not slippery either. Overall this is by far my favourite grip out of the 3 sets I currently have. There is, however, an issue with these that I did not have previously with the Harrow Oracle darts and that is they are hitting the dartboard on an upward angle.

When I threw the Oracle I always had them hit almost perfectly horizontal or slightly on a downward angle once every now and then.

With the Chizzy's 90% out of the 460 throws I did today would land on an upward angle in to the dartboard. I have attached photo which might give you better understanding of what I mean.

I threw these with the exact same action I threw the Oracle darts.

Any suggestions why that would be the case? [Image: 8a538fdc21edc1685992afe079a60bdb.jpg][Image: 5160dc1f3b21c5f69ad822e009e167b2.jpg]

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Try different size flights & shafts
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If you want to maintain the same action, try bigger flights, shorter stems, or a combination.   Not elevating the point at release can have this effect as well.
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I used to love those darts but I dropped weight and never used them again. I always used short stems and had them land more horizontal. Try that out.
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Thanks guys.

These darts come with short stems already so I will experiment with different flight shapes and sizes.




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(06-14-2019, 02:37 PM)nixer55 Wrote: Not elevating the point at release can have this effect as well.

Just to see if I understand this. Are you suggesting that I’m pushing the point of the dart upwards at the time of release?









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(06-14-2019, 03:03 PM)the.insid3r Wrote:
(06-14-2019, 02:37 PM)nixer55 Wrote: Not elevating the point at release can have this effect as well.

Just to see if I understand this. Are you suggesting that I’m pushing the point of the dart upwards at the time of release?

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Nope.  Just saying if the point is NOT elevated, the dart might land with a tail down attitude.  But as you say, the issue doesn't happen with other darts, adjust the dart setup.
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(06-14-2019, 02:37 PM)nixer55 Wrote: Nope.  Just saying if the point is NOT elevated, the dart might land with a tail down attitude.  But as you say, the issue doesn't happen with other darts, adjust the dart setup.

Gotcha! Smile


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When a dart goes in like that and you are using the same throwing action it is highly likely to be a stem length issue.

I seem to remember (Although it is best to check this) that if the angle is pointing up you need to use a shorter stem length.
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(06-14-2019, 02:20 PM)the.insid3r Wrote: Hi guys,

So today I received my new darts, 22gm Chizzy gold and immediately started throwing them. After around 460 throws I have definitely found that these darts have the sort of grip I like. It feels very smooth, not very grippy  and not slippery either. Overall this is by far my favourite grip out of the 3 sets I currently have. There is, however, an issue with these that I did not have previously with the Harrow Oracle darts and that is they are hitting the dartboard on an upward angle.

When I threw the Oracle I always had them hit almost perfectly horizontal or slightly on a downward angle once every now and then.

With the Chizzy's 90% out of the 460 throws I did today would land on an upward angle in to the dartboard. I have attached photo which might give you better understanding of what I mean.

I threw these with the exact same action I threw the Oracle darts.

Any suggestions why that would be the case?

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I am somewhat confused.

The pictures you posted,  I would consider the darts landing with a dropped tail. Or a negative angle.
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It seems you’re wording is confusing Me, Yes, the point is pointed at an  upward angle . 

For me I refer to these landings in reverse.  EG . DARTS LANDING AT A UPWARD ANGLE would Be POINT DOWN And flight up.
DARTS LANDING AT A DOWNWARDS ANGLE WOULD BE, AS YOU HAVE, POINTS UP AND FLIGHT DOWN.

My conclusion, with my experience

Typically with new dart set Ups.  I Rarely ever take the new darts supplied stems and fights out of packaging to maintain a bit of re Sale value .

But you are throwing a new dart. Chances are . You’re throwing technique will not immediately adjust to the new dart. and you will experience some wonky throwing .....my best bet is change as minimal accessories, and keep throwing until it all get ironed out

I have ran into this many times, mainly within straight barrell Gary Anderson, and Click flight system with standard stems, They dropped the tails , along with phi Taylor gen 2 stems
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CalixNL, Sorry being new to darts I may not describe issues with the right dart terminology Smile

But yes you got my point.

I have experimented with different setup ups, mainly medium stems and larger and smaller flights as the Chizzy darts already had short stems.

I also tried the Target Power G5 short stems and found they work just like the original short stems that came with the darts.

Trying medium stems seem to have only amplified the issue to a point where I nailed one dart 1mm above the triple 20 but because of the angle the flight on the dart badly obscured the triple 20 area.

What I did find is that gripping the barrel slight of centre towards rear have straightened the darts but as a middle gripper I'm finding it a little awkward holding it just behind centre.

So yeah it seems the short stems is the way to go with these. I'll try a few more flights and otherwise I'll keep practicing with my finger placement. I'd like to make these work as the grip on these is absolutely fantastic for me.



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Just an update.

Trying different shape/size flights seem to have very little impact on leveling up the darts.

The only way I managed to get them to go in straight and/or with flights pointing slightly up was to shift my grip to the end of the barrel which for me felt very unbalanced/unnatural and I was randomly nailing darts all over the dartboard.





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tried drastically different stems yet?
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(06-15-2019, 10:50 AM)EviLZippY Wrote: tried drastically different stems yet?
I only have short and in-between stems. Swapping short to in-between seemed to only amplifie the issue.

I'll pick up longer ones next week and give them a try.

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(06-15-2019, 10:47 AM)the.insid3r Wrote: Just an update.

Trying different shape/size flights seem to have very little impact on leveling up the darts.

The only way I managed to get them to go in straight and/or with flights pointing slightly up was to shift my grip to the end of the barrel  which for me felt very unbalanced/unnatural and I was randomly  nailing darts all over the dartboard.





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SO just to be sure, you do want your darts to land straight in the board or possibly with positive  angle right?

Only reason I am checking is because Some people have WANTED they’re darts to land the Way you’re pictures show the darts, to allow “Stacking” of the following darts.

If you really like the darts and want them To work, keep throwing them, maybe adjust your grip a bit , you shouldn’t have to change  the placement on the dart where you grip it , just keep balanced and keep throwing until it levels out. 

When I got my Gary Anderson phase 3 in the mail, one of my most expensive and favourite sets now. 
I was very upset that they we’re dropping when hitting the board, i put them up for sale THAT NIGHT, I just couldn’t throw them, they seemd too long and too much weight in the rear I assumed I was doomed. I tried every set up.

The next day I just kept throwing, I ended up changing my grip to two finger tips on top of of the barrel. Which gave me new control. And now My grip is forever changed and I  da can throw  the darts and they are my favourite.
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